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Again, it's me, Dr. Steve, and if you're regular to this channel, you know that we talk a lot about the clash of civilizations, the battle between globalism and nationalism, and the populist paradigm, the people versus the establishment.

But are we seeing a similar crisis inside the evangelical church? Are we seeing evangelicalism being rattled by comparable divisions?

To more and more punnets, the answer is yes, and it's not hard to see why we've got people like David French, formerly a national review, taking up arms against the boogeyman of white supremacism and Christian nationalism.

We've got others like Russell Moore, formerly the Southern Baptist, who have left their historical denominations and are accused by many of having gone fully woke.

What's happening in the evangelical church?

Well, today I'm joined by one of the most insightful analysts of contemporary Christianity, and that's Aaron Ren from American Reformer.

He's a former senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, and a prolific writer published all around the world.

Aaron, welcome. Great to have you here, my friend. Thanks for having me on, Dr. Steve.

Oh, it's an honor to have you. I really enjoyed your latest piece for first things, the three worlds of evangelicalism.

It'll be linked down below for anyone who wants to read it.

And you talk about America entering a new world, a new social context with regard to Christianity, what you call a negative world.

Can you expand on that? Sure. If you go back to the 1950s, this was really the high watermark of Christianity in America, half of all Americans attended church on Sunday mornings.

And being a Christian was just part of American identity. There's a famous image you might have seen of New York City with all the skyscrapers lit up for Easter with crosses in them.

That picture was taken in the 1950s. And sometime in the 1960s, I dated to around 1964.

Christianity began to go into decline in America. And that period of decline from 1964 to the present.

I divide into three eras or worlds that I call the positive, the neutral, the negative world. So the positive world is 1964, 1994.

And this is a period of decline for Christianity, but Christianity is still basically viewed positively.

To be known as a good church-going man makes you seem like an upstanding member of society. Christian moral norms are basically the moral norms of society.

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