Ep 205: Confronting Cloud-Seeding Pilots & Sparking Local Change with Mellow Kat
The Way Forward with Alec Zeck
Alec Zeck
4.8 • 968 Ratings
🗓️ 3 December 2025
⏱️ 143 minutes
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She found aluminum and other metals in her rainwater, uncovered a decades-long cloud-seeding program running over her county without public notice, and then drove to the airport to confront the pilots — and you’ll hear her full conversation.
In this episode, I sit down with Kathryn “Mellow Kat” Saari, a former flight attendant turned homesteader who started noticing grid patterns and flight clusters during storms in her part of California. Her curiosity led her into rainwater testing, public records digging, and decades of cloud-seeding programs that no one in her community had ever been told about.
Mellow Kat walks me through what she uncovered: silver-iodide cloud seeding, adulticide spraying, organophosphate insecticides, genetically modified mosquito proposals, and the contracts counties hold with Weather Modification Inc. She also shares the night she followed the aircraft to their airport and spoke with the pilots face-to-face.
If you’ve been curious about weather modification, cloud seeding, geoengineering, or how these programs are actually run on the local level, this conversation brings the details into full view without hype or guesswork.
You’ll Learn:
[00:00:00] Introduction
[00:21:06] Why Mellow Kat believes her son's neurological issues stem from vaccines, and the aluminum levels that shocked her
[00:35:00] The moment she first noticed grid patterns in the sky
[00:39:32] What Mellow Kat found in her rainwater samples after tracking cloud seeding flights
[00:42:20] Discovering a 30+ year cloud seeding operation happening directly over her county without public notice
[00:55:17] How $6.6 million from Bill Gates led to trees being cut down and trucked to Nevada to be buried underground
[00:59:27] Confronting the adulticide spray pilot who admitted he's releasing a nerve agent over neighborhoods to kill mosquitoes
[01:16:34] The full unedited audio: driving to an airport in the middle of the night to confront the cloud seeding pilots face-to-face
[01:52:21] How Mellow Kat and 5,400 people stopped a biotech company from releasing genetically modified mosquitoes in California
[01:56:27] What an arborist found at wildfire sites that suggests energy weapons—trees burned from the inside out while leaves stayed intact
[02:05:26] Why Mellow Kat is no longer afraid of death and how that freed her to speak without holding back
Resources Mentioned:
Alfacast episode #262 The Atmospheric End Game w/ Mellow Kat | Spotify or Apple or Deezer
The Way Forward episode #183 Geoengineering: How Weather Is Manipulated, And How We Reclaim It with Dr. Rob Williams | YouTube
I finally confront the pilots who have been geoengineering Tuolumne's skies | Article
Harms of Cloud seeding: It's not "just silver iodide." | Article
Santa Barbara County and Twitchell Reservoir Cloud Seeding Program | PDF
Written instructions on identifying aircraft, testing rain samples, and PRA requests | Article
Ariana Masters | Substack
If you want to learn more from Mellow Kat, visit her Substack.
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| 0:00.0 | In 2020, I was talking about masks and saying, why are you wearing them? If you're alone outside, turns out the masks are all pretty bad for your health. They would chase me down. I was told to go home that I was dangerous. Meanwhile, the big behemoth companies get to say that they are carbon neutral because they purchased carbon credits from the wood they cut from my backyard. Bill Gates is not anybody's friend. He's not a |
| 0:21.8 | benevolent philanthropist. There happened to be a small company called Kodama Systems Inc. They were |
| 0:26.0 | funded by Bill Gates $6.6 million to cut down the trees in our forest under the guise of forest |
| 0:32.0 | resiliency and to store the carbon, to protect us from the carbon. We're not sitting here saying |
| 0:36.9 | that the only thing in our environment that is problematic is this. |
| 0:40.3 | It's the compounding effects of all of those things. |
| 0:43.3 | Then I discovered that there had been an ongoing cloud seeding operation happening over my county, right over my head. |
| 0:51.3 | Cloud seating, my friends, is not benevolent or benign. So at some point, we've got to go down there and just figure out who these guys are. I hit audio record and I just held my phone because I wanted to hear what he had to say. We are tired of you dumping many metals all over our county. Okay. Well, I'm not the one to talk to about this. I want to know, are you aware of what you're doing? I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. It's none of your business. It is my business because you're over my head, stumping shit over our family. We can do more to become less dependent on this toxic system. Do you prefer to go by Mellow Cat? Oh, I'm Catherine. My, everyone calls me cat. |
| 1:28.9 | And then online, the joke was, and I've already explained about Mellow Cat. |
| 1:32.2 | It's not, because I'm not Mellow. |
| 1:34.0 | I'm very, I mean, I can be, but I'm very out there. |
| 1:37.3 | Where do the name Mellow Cat come from? |
| 1:38.9 | A friend that I met online named Farmer Jones now. |
| 1:42.3 | And he laughed about my bullhorn and I was always so intense when |
| 1:45.8 | talking to him. So I have a very passionate side and I get hot and then I get over it really quickly. |
| 1:50.4 | And he said, you need to give yourself a name like Mellow Cat because I had a Bitshoot channel |
| 1:55.7 | after being censored on YouTube. So I went with Mellowcat. And now that more people know the name, it's kind of like, |
| 2:03.5 | they're like, she's not very mellow. I'm like, well, that was sort of the joke. But yeah. |
| 2:06.9 | I like it. Yeah. That's funny. What was your YouTube channel focused on at the time? |
| 2:11.3 | Well, I actually was in 2020, I was talking about masks and saying, why are you wearing them? |
| 2:17.4 | If you're alone outside, |
| 2:19.0 | don't wear them. And I think I was putting some videos on Facebook and I put them on YouTube as well |
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