This isn't your average business podcast and he's not your average host.

This is the James Altature Show on the Standsbury Radio Network.

This is James Altature with the James Altature Show and I am really happy today because

one of my favorite guests is on the show, Stephen Dubner, author of Freakonomics, Super Freakonomics

and now the brand new think like a freak, Stephen, welcome to the show.

Hey James, thank you. You're one of my favorite people too, just so you know.

Well, we've known each other for a really long time. How long have we known? So it's been about 12 years now, almost to the day.

I think so. I think I remember so I met you because I was wanting to write about you as a subject in this book

that I called like working title was called something. It was about the psychology of money.

And so you were this fascinating guy who had a contorted, interesting relationship with money generally.

So we started hanging out and I would interview you for hours and we started to play backgammon, etc, etc.

And then eventually I put that book in a drawer even though I wrote a couple chapters including one that included you.

And I put that book in a drawer because Freakonomics kind of happened instead. So it's still in a drawer.

Well, it's a really good thing Freakonomics have instead probably for both of us.

I don't know about for you, for me, for sure though. Yeah. I mean, I would have liked to write that other book

and I still fantasize about it sometimes and a lot of the ideas that were behind that book when it had gone into a lot of the Freakonomics writing and radio have done since then.

But I'm still fascinated by how much emotion and lack of rationality and kind of religious and sexual fervor is attached to money and misunderstood.

So like I said, I still like that idea.

Well, you know, maybe maybe one day in the future, but today is all about think like a freak. Although I want to I want to bring up one memory I have.

And this is like a decade ago. It was the day or two before Freakonomics was going to be released.

And you and I were meeting for our regular backgammon session, which we still I think we're still in the same match 10 years later.

But we were meeting and you know towards the end, I really I almost visually remember like your your hands were holding your head and you were like, you know, what if we can what if this next book Freakonomics doesn't really work out for me like I don't know if it's going to work out like you're really unsure.

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