And today on our very special Christmas episode of the Latter Day Lives podcast, I'm going to give you a little bit of the backstory as to how we got here with one of my

favorite people in the world because it's kind of funny. We had a guest lined up that we went

back and forth and we were supposed to meet to interview and it's, I'm hoping it'll still happen

eventually one day, so I won't say who it is, but someone very connected to Christmas and we went back and forth.

And then finally, we just weren't able to make it work.

So then I had asked for this Santa Claus?

It was, darn it, Brad.

We weren't going to say.

It turned out he was busy this time of year.

He asked if we could meet in June.

So less busy time.

But he, but anyway, then we asked for listener submissions, and we only did it once, and there wasn't

enough time.

And so we really haven't gotten those.

And finally, I went, you know what, I just want to talk to someone about Christmas.

And the first person that came to mine is a dear friend of mine and a dear friend of the show. He's one of our

favorite people. And I know so many of you already read his work all the time on thus we see.

Brad McBride, welcome back to the show. Thanks. It's great to be here. This is fun. It's especially

fun and you are a very fitting guest because you have a new

novella out and before we get into anything else, what is a novella? What is it? I think of telenovela

and I'm picturing Mexican soap opera. Yes, it's not that. You did not produce a Mexican soap opera. I want to get into everything

else that you're doing and what's happening with us. We see and everything else. But first of all,

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