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Welcome to the Deconstructionist podcast.

I'm your host John Williamson, and we are back with Part 2 with Dr. Camden-Morgante.

If you haven't listened to Part 1 yet, press pause and go back and listen to the first part.

If you've already listened to the first part,

then enjoy part two. This is the second half of my interview with her. Again, great book.

Go check it out. Recovering for purity culture. Dismantle the myths, reject shame-based sexuality, and move forward in your faith. Available where all books are found. And we'll have some links in the show notes as well.

But enjoy the second half, and we'll be back next week of the brand new guest.

But until then, I give you Dr. Camden, Fregan, Morgante. I'm alive is God.

I want to kind of talk a little bit about at this point, how does one start the journey of,

as you say in the book, reconstructing their sexual ethic?

I think that's so important. And sometimes my clients will say, like, do I really, you know, do I really have to do that? That's a lot of work. And I'm already married. Like, what does it matter? And I get that. It is a lot of work. But I argue that it's important because if you have kids, you have to kind of know what to teach them or what you believe in order to, like, what values do I want to pass on to them.

But then also just for yourself, it's very empowering to reconstruct your sexual ethic to figure out what you believe and why.

And not just because the Bible says so, because my pastor told me, because my parents told me,

because this is what a good girl does or a good guy does.

Like, it's empowering to do that work yourself.

And it also helps you be more clear on what choices you want to make if you know what your values are.

And so, like, later when we talk about

shame, you know, like shame is not resolved by just saying like, I'm just going to throw this all

away and just go do whatever I want. Like shame is resolved by really knowing what our values are and

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