I have seen my entire life, literally from childhood, every way to burn out and blow up

in ministry.

Pastors and missionaries who were once in our home, I ask about them, oh, he's out

of ministry, he had an affair, he ran off with the money, everything up to, including

suicide, sadly, every kind of ministerial attrition and tragedy, and I've been a pastor or

a missionary myself because we went to Mexico, we were career missionaries ourselves in Mexico

where I grew up for seven years before returning to our church and Huntington Beach.

And I just saw the toll it took around me and just as importantly, I felt how the pressure

and the relentless of ministry, if you engage with people, I could feel what it was doing

to me.

So I quite literally wrote the book in self defense.

This may be the first of its kind, friends.

Not many would dare do such a thing on a podcast and in front of the whole world, but we here

at the Living Waters Podcast are filled with love, care, kindness, wisdom, courage, handsomeness,

and humble modesty.

You've heard us mention his name many times before, but today, you'll get to finally meet him.

We have with us Ray Comfort's pastor, Bruce Garner, but the big build up is related to

why we are actually having him on today.

This friends is somewhat of an intervention slash church discipline matter.

Ray Comfort.

You're making me nervous.

Did you or did you not recently fully unbutton your shirt and public while riding your bike?

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