This is Trend Following Radio, where great thinking comes alive.

Nobel Prize winners, legendary traders, best-selling authors, and the pros that know what drive us irrational human beings.

I am your host, Michael Covell, not filtered, raw, honest.

That's my passion.

I want to open today's podcast with a great line that I posted on my Facebook.

Quote, everything we do is 100% systematic.

There's no override, no individual decision making whatsoever.

This is the focus of the firm, end quote.

That is from Marty Bergen at Dunn Capital.

Marty's the president at Dunn Capital.

I think Bill's still the chairman.

The cool thing about that, I love that when I was 16 years old, Marty was my baseball coach.

He clearly has moved on to very big things now as the president of Dunn Capital,

but I think it's so cool that Marty and I have stayed loosely connected all these years.

He actually did introduce me to Bill back in the mid-1990s, so I'm always appreciative of that,

of that learning experience, going out and finding and meeting.

Someone just wrote me this morning literally minutes before I was getting on this podcast.

And they were asking me how they can meet Michael Marcus, who was famously profiled in Jack Schwager's Market Wizards book.

Well, if you want to meet Michael Marcus,

if you want it bad enough, if there's a reason and enough for you to do it and for him to do it,

it will happen. If one wants to talk about it and one wants to send Mike Coval emails,

but one is not really serious about doing something, then it won't happen. Gosh, I hate to be so blunt, but that's the way the

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