And now, from the University of Chicago Institute of Politics and CNN, the Axviles, with your

host, David Axelrod.

He wrote an autobiography called What a Party, and nothing describes Governor Terry McCollough

of Virginia better than that phrase.

And he has been at the center of it from the time he was a kid to today, the most

abullion character in American politics, and in the middle of some of the most controversial

issues of the day as well.

He came to the Institute of Politics the other day, and we talked about all of that.

Governor Terry McCollough, really great to see you again, and to have you at the Institute

of Politics, and getting ready for this conversation, I reviewed your biography.

And I was reminded of just what a hustler you were from the earliest days.

You started your own business when you were like in high school.

Fourteen.

I needed to start a business.

I would have to earn money if I was going to go to college.

So I started McCollough, driveway maintenance at the age of 14.

Started sealing driveways in my neighborhood of Syracuse, New York.

And then 15, David, I had to go big.

I started doing parking lots, but in order to parking lots, you need a truck because you

got to buy the tower and big 50 gallon barrels.

I'm 15 years old.

I remember I called up my Uncle Billy Burn, owned burned area.

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