You're listening to the Reality Steve Podcast. With your host, Reality Steve, he's covering

everything about Rachel's upcoming season of the Bachelorette. Now the man with all

your spoilers and behind the scenes juice in Bachelor Nation, here's Reality Steve.

Welcome everyone to Podcast number 18. I am your host, Reality Steve. We've got a great

guest lined up for you today. Someone I've wanted to talk to you for a long time now. We'll

get to him momentarily. But first today's episode is brought to you by

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later in the episode. But without further ado, let me bring on our guest. He is in the Bachelor

Record books as the only contestant to ever appear in five different shows of the franchise.

You saw him first on the only Maynard season of the Bachelorette. He was on the third and final

season of Bachelor Pad. He appeared momentarily on Andy Dorfman season of the Bachelorette.

And then you saw him on the first two seasons of Bachelor and Paradise. It is not under

the Chris Bikowski Chris. I appreciate you taking the time. Come on today. Hey Steve, thanks

for having me. God, there's obviously so much we can cover in your history with the show.

But I first want to start off with how you were cast. I had read that you had never watched

the show and a friend had nominated you for Emily season. And you were in a position in

your life where everything was pretty much going great. You had a great job. You were making

good money. And then you decided to do this. So talk about the initial response and the

initial thought process of going on Emily season. Yeah, sure. At the time I was actually

living in New York. And I mean, I was only 25, just turned 25 actually. And I got an email

from the casting department from the Bachelor. And I honestly, I just thought it was some kind

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