Hello everyone and welcome to Adam Ruins Everything the podcast.

I'm your host Adam Conover and hey you might know I also host a TV show

called Adam Ruins Everything on True TV and you can find clips and full episodes at

True TV.com slash Adam Ruins Everything and the Watch True TV app.

Okay, we've got a bit of a special one for you guys this week.

All right?

As you probably know, every other week, it's a bi-weekly podcast.

It's a little hard to keep up a weekly schedule, so we do a bi-weekly here.

Every other week, I talk to one of the experts that we had on the TV show and bring them into

the studio and we talked to them for a lot longer.

And the reason we started the podcast is I found that when I talked to them on set, I had so many

questions about their work.

I had an insatiable curiosity and I

wanted to bring them into the studio so I could ask them those questions and share the

answers with you guys and you know by fulfilling my own curiosity maybe fulfill

yours as well. That process brought me to the interview

that you're gonna hear today,

but it's a bit of a different one.

Our guest today did not appear on the TV show.

His name is Jonathan Blow.

He's an independent video game developer.

And his most well-known games are called

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