The Tom Woods Show, episode 1799.

Prepare to set fire to the index card of allowable opinion.

Your daily dose of liberty education starts here.

The Tom Woods Show.

Hi, everybody.

Tom Woods here.

I am delighted to welcome John Mackie to the Tom Woods Show.

John Mackie, of course, is CEO of Whole Foods.

And you may know him also as the author of the book, Conscious Capitalism.

Today, we're going to be talking about his new book, Conscious Leadership, Elevating Humanity

Through Business.

John, welcome to the show.

Thanks for having me on, Tom.

I've wanted to have you on forever.

And I only recently got up the guts.

I feel like I was in high school asking our mutual friend, could you approach him and see

this work out?

So good old Gene Epstein.

That guy, he'll do anything for you.

So I'm really, really glad to have you on.

So we're talking about this book, Conscious Leadership.

But I've read your book, Conscious Capitalism, and you make mention of it a couple of times

...