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Welcome to the Stacks, a podcast about books and the people who read them.

I'm your host Tracy Thomas, and our guest today is Derika Pernel.

Derika is a lawyer, writer, activist, and organizer.

She is also the author of the forthcoming, becoming abolitionists, police, protests, and the pursuit of freedom,

which will be out on October 5th.

Pre-order that book, right now, trust me.

Today, Derika and I talk about the vastness of the human imagination, the question surrounding police and prison abolition,

and the books that have guided Derika on her journey to becoming an abolitionist.

The Stacks Book Club pick for September is blood in the water by Heather Ann Thompson.

We'll be discussing the book on the show on Wednesday, September 29th with Derika Pernel.

Okay, today is a big day in the land of the stacks we are officially an independent podcast again.

For you listeners, at home, this won't change how and where you got your podcasts,

except that we are back on Stitcher now.

So that's a yay.

For me, this means I'm now 100% fully responsible for this show, which is terrifying and thrilling.

But ultimately, I know that I have to bet on myself.

So here we are.

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