Ep 172: The 4th Phase of Water: The Blueprint for Biological Energy with Dr. Gerald Pollack
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Alec Zeck
4.8 • 829 Ratings
🗓️ 18 June 2025
⏱️ 171 minutes
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Alec is joined by Dr. Gerald Pollack, professor at the University of Washington, to explore the “fourth phase” of water and its vital role in biological energy. They discuss how structured water near cell surfaces, called the Exclusion Zone, challenges traditional biology, the energy sources behind it, and its implications for cell health and cancer. Dr. Pollack also reflects on the scientific pioneers who first proposed these ideas and the resistance faced by revolutionary research.
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Pollack Lab Website – https://www.pollacklab.org/
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| 0:00.0 | I'm |
| 0:02.0 | Oh, |
| 0:03.0 | Oh, |
| 0:04.0 | and |
| 0:05.0 | The I think, amongst all the things I talk about, I don't know, Reese, you could probably correct me if I'm wrong. |
| 0:43.5 | Like, fourth phase water is one of the ones that I talk about the most. |
| 0:48.5 | Just because the way that I think about everything with respect to our health now comes back to water. And I'm not claiming that I speak on it well, |
| 1:00.9 | which is why I'm incredibly excited. I'm elated for this conversation. Like I've been looking |
| 1:06.4 | forward to this for a long time. Well, thank you, Alec. And I'm flattered by your deep interest in EZ water. |
| 1:14.6 | I'm actually also interested. |
| 1:15.6 | Yeah, right. |
| 1:16.6 | I would hope you're interested in giving what you do. |
| 1:18.6 | Oh, absolutely. |
| 1:19.6 | You know, I wouldn't say I dream about it every night, but it's on my mind quite a bit. |
| 1:24.6 | Right. |
| 1:25.6 | Well, it's on my mind right a bit. Right. Well, it's on my mind too. And I know a lot of my audience is really looking forward to this one as well. |
| 1:30.3 | So I think it's appropriate to start with your journey into studying water. |
| 1:38.3 | If we could. |
| 1:39.6 | Sure, absolutely. |
| 1:41.3 | Well, I started my academic career in a field that was completely different. |
| 1:49.3 | It had to do with the mechanism of muscle contraction, how the proteins in the muscle interact |
| 1:57.2 | with one another to create force and motion. |
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