Hey guys, this is and the writer is, and I'm your host Ross Golan.

I've written with hundreds of writers and artists over the years and my favorite part of each

session is the first hour when we catch up about life in the industry, politics, composition, whatever.

If you ask me, songwriters are some of the most worldly and intelligent people I've ever come across.

So this is a journey of learning why people write. and intelligent people I've ever come across.

So this is a journey of learning why people write songs,

how people write songs, and most importantly,

who the people are who write the songs.

Now I'm co-producing this with my friend Joe London who is nominated for a

Grammy earlier this year for Best Country Song. He makes us sound like angels.

If you want to listen to the songs we discuss in this podcast, go to Spotify and

look up our playlist and the writer is or go to our website www and the writer is.

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All right, for this week we have a true genius, John Ryan. I don't even want to go too far into how I feel about John because you'll get it from this conversation.

But before we get into the conversation, I just wanted to say something about stitches the song by

Sean Mendez it won song of the year at the BMI Awards we didn't talk about it

last week but we should because the entire song is published by our co-producer's Big Deal Music,

who also publishes John Ryan. So we talk a lot about Casey Robison, the Senior Vice President of Big Deal Music, also lived on my hall

freshman year college. We talk about David Silberstein and Jeremy Levin from Mega House

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