Ron DeSantis gives an interview to Pierce Morgan in which he opens up on his criticisms of Donald Trump.

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No? Me neither. Can ExpressVPN right now at ExpressVPN.com slash Ben. Well, last night, the big news was that there's an interview between Ron DeSantis and Pierce Morgan. It is supposed to air on Thursday.

There is a sit-down interview between Pierce Morgan and DeSantis.

It is unclear when exactly this was filmed. And that's a little bit important simply because

DeSantis opens up on some of his critiques of Donald Trump. If this was filmed, for example,

after Trump had made clear that he thinks he was going to be arrested this week,

and this is a major tactical blunder by DeSantis. It was filmed before he sort of understand what he is doing. In any case, we're going to go through the politics of this. Here's what DeSantis actually has to say. So Pears Morgan asked DeSantis about the fact that Trump's been nicknaming him and calling him Miranda Sanctimonious and all the rest of this kind of stuff. And here was Descent's good answer.

Is your favorite nickname that Trump's given you so far. and calling him Ron de Sanctimonious and all the rest of this kind of stuff. And here was Descent's good answer.

What is your favorite nickname that Trump's given you so far? Is it Ron De Sanctimonious or Meatball Ron? Well, I can't... Even he went off Meatball Ron. I can't... I don't know how to spell DeSanthamonius. I don't really know what it means, but I kind of like it's long. It's got a lot of valves. I mean, so we go with that.

That's fine.

You can call me, you can call me

whatever you want. I mean, just as long as you, you know, also call me a winner. And it's that last line that DeSance is going to run on, that he is in fact a winner. And as we'll get to in just a second, when it comes to the politics of the primary, there are really three issues at play.

And the first one is who do you think is more of winner, DeSantis or Trump?

Because I effectively think that at this point, this is a, get to in just a second. When it comes to the politics of the primary, there are really three issues at play. And the first one is, who do you think is more of a winner, DeSantis or Trump?

Because I effectively think that at this point, this is a two-man race. He also got into some of his deeper critiques of Trump as president. He said, I also just think in terms of my approach to leadership, I get personnel in the government who have the agenda of the people and share our agenda, which, of course, is correct.

I mean, one of the big problems for Trump is that he was constantly staffing around him.

People... agenda of the people and share our agenda, which, of course, is correct. I mean, one of the big problems

for Trump is that he was constantly staffing around him, people who did not share his agenda, including,

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