Hey guys, welcome to not another anxiety show. I'm your host, Kelly Walker, and joining me today is guest William Pollan. Thanks so much for taking the time to hop on the show today.

Thank you,

Kelly. It's good to be here. Now, do you mind if I share a little bit more about you with our audience before we get started here? No, good idea. Great. So William is a London-based psychotherapist and writer.

He is the author of Running with Mindfulness and creator of Dynamic Running Therapy. William also

has an app called Dynamic Running Therapy. You can find William at dynamic running therapy.com.

I feel like that could be some sort of game, right? I should have a tattooed on my head.

So first off, you know, can you tell us a little bit about what dynamic running therapy is and what it has to do with those or how it could support those of us in the throes of anxiety?

Well, I had a sort of burnout in my life about 11 years ago.

I took up running in therapy to get myself through it, decided to train as a therapist

and then bring everything I'd learned about running into creating this kind of running

therapy, as I call it.

So that's where it comes from. That's what it is,

vaguely speaking. How can it help people? Well, I think, you know, I think therapy is useful

for most people. And I think that running in the outdoors and is fantastic for, particularly for things like

anxiety and depression, if you can get people out, which is not always easy.

I guess it depends where you live.

Well, but it also depends on how anxious and depressed you're feeling.

You know, I recognize that for a lot of people to say to the moment,

why didn't you go out and take a walk, is a pretty terrifying prospect.

Yeah, it really is.

As someone that has been agoraphobic in the past and housebound,

the idea of even going for a walk around the block at one time felt pretty insurmountable.

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