Marshall and Saga here. Welcome back to The Realignment.

So one of you tweeted at us that you took a shot every time that one of us said great power

competition on this podcast. So I have very bad news for you. This entire episode is all about China

and how America should deal with that. We were very excited to interview Hudson's senior fellow

retired Air Force Brigadier General Robert Spalding about his new book,

Stealth War, how China took over while America's elites left.

General Spalding actually has a really interesting background. He speaks fluent Mandarin. He lived in

China. He's really navigated the worlds of business and technology. But most importantly,

he actually was a B2 bomber stealth pilot before he actually started engaging with the China issue.

So when he writes about a stealth war, he's really referring to the fact that for decades,

people like him across our military trained to fight traditional wars of bullets and bombs.

But what he relates in the story when we talk about the podcast is how China's policy towards

this country's been about economics. It's been about industrial policy. It's been about using

our institutions in ways that we traditionally weren't trained to use. And the reason that

perspective is so valuable is one of the main themes that we focus on here at The Realignment

is the link between foreign and domestic policy, especially when it comes to great power

competition. And it whenever it comes to economic policy and what's unique about General Spalding's

perspective is that his focus on competition it extends way beyond the battlefield. It centers

on community and it centers on these communities that have been weakened by failed US economic policies

towards China's rise. So that let's dive in.

All right, General Spalding, welcome to The Realignment.

Thank you. Great to be here. That's coming. So General, the reason we wanted to have you on,

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