The Tom Wood Show, Episode 1538.

Prepare to set fire to the index card of allowable opinion.

Your daily dose of liberty education starts here. The Tom Wood Show.

Books, as you know, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has been spreading some pretty terrible ideas,

and she's wrong on just about everything. Well, I've put together the definitive smash of all of it.

The Green New Deal, affordable housing, so-called free college, high tax rates.

It's in another free ebook, yes, a free ebook called AOC is wrong, the upside down world of Alexandria

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Hey, everybody, Tom Woods here. Gene Epstein is back with us today. Gene is former economics and

book review editor at Barons, formerly chief economist at the New York Stock Exchange.

And right now, the director of the Soho Forum, which hosts debates on many contentious and

interesting topics in New York City, and that's one of the great things about living in the New

York City areas that you get to attend these events very easily. Well, Gene himself was one of the

debaters in his recent debate at the Soho Forum with Richard Wolfe, professor emeritus of economics

at the University of Massachusetts, and they were debating the following resolution. Socialism is

preferable to capitalism as an economic system that promotes freedom, equality, and prosperity.

The results turned out very much in Gene's favor. They began with 25% supporting that resolution,

ending with 24 and a half percent supporting that resolution. But being opposed to the resolution,

therefore agreeing with Gene went from approximately 49% all the way up to 71% I believe. So it was

a big, big jump for Gene. And if you're wondering why it doesn't add up to 100%, there are still some

undecideds. So I wanted to talk to Gene about this debate. Now I know he's done that. He's done the

rounds a bit on the podcast circuit. And I was in Austria at the time. But I dare say you're going to

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