The Tom Woods Show, episode 1511.

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Hey, everybody, Tom Woods here. We are discussing all this impeachment talk today with Kevin Goodsman, who is both a legal

scholar and a historian. He holds his law degree from the law school at the University of Texas

at Austin and his Ph.D. in history from the University of Virginia, the author of numerous books,

including James Madison and The Making of America, and the book the two of us

wrote together, Who Killed the Constitution? I wanted to talk to Kevin about current events and also

about the historical dimension of impeachment and the constitutional aspects. And so here he is.

Kevin, welcome back. Happy to be here, Tom. All right, glad to have you because we've got a topic that combines current events and history,

and I always enjoy reading what you have to say on both things.

So we're talking about impeachment.

Let's actually start not with current events, but in history, and in particular with the Constitution.

How are we to understand the high crimes and misddemeanors Clause and what kinds of things

were thought to rise to that level? Well, in the Philadelphia Convention that wrote the Constitution,

the original language of that clause referred to maladministration. And there was an objection that

maladministration would be in the eye of the beholder, and so essentially

any high official will be susceptible of being impeached at any moment. Then came back the alternative

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