Ep. - 1478 - CHARMED BY THE DEVIL
Reality Life with Kate Casey
Kate Casey
4.4 • 7K Ratings
🗓️ 10 December 2025
⏱️ 31 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, Kate explores Charmed by the Devil, the haunting new Oxygen documentary built from journalist Laura Greenberg’s 40-year investigation into serial killer Douglas Gretzler and the more than 500 hours of intimate audiotapes she recorded with him. Through conversations with Co-Executive Producer Lauren Flowers and Laura’s nephew, actor Ben Giroux, they unpack how one of the deadliest killing sprees in American history quietly vanished from headlines, how Laura’s journalistic pursuit evolved into a deeply complicated relationship with Gretzler, and what it took to shape decades of material into a coherent, ethically grounded film.
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| 0:46.9 | Welcome back for another episode of Reality Life with Kate Casey. |
| 0:55.1 | In 1973, Douglas Gretzler and his partner, Willie Steelman, crossed the American West on a road trip that spiraled into one of the deadliest killing sprees in American history. Over just three weeks, |
| 1:01.4 | the pair murdered 17 people, families, couples, strangers they met by chance. The killings were |
| 1:08.9 | impulsive, erratic, and terrifyingly quick. And yet, despite the scope |
| 1:14.0 | and brutality of the spree, the story quietly faded from national consciousness. No true crime |
| 1:20.4 | canon built around it, no ongoing media frenzy. It simply disappeared. But journalist Laura |
| 1:27.2 | Greenberg couldn't let it go. |
| 1:29.3 | Laura was young when she first encountered Gretzler's case. |
| 1:32.6 | And something in it, perhaps the mystery, perhaps the erasure, captured her in a way she couldn't fully articulate. |
| 1:41.0 | She wanted more than case files or secondhand accounts. |
| 1:44.4 | She wanted to hear Gretzler himself. |
| 1:46.9 | She wanted to understand what drove a man to commit 17 murders in 21 days |
| 1:51.7 | and why the country seemed to content to forget him. |
| 1:56.4 | And what she found wasn't just answers. |
| 1:59.2 | It was a relationship. |
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