I know Catherine's my friend I know Catherine cares about me we've had a lot of these

spiritual conversations where she's talked to me about this that and the other I'd

really rather not talk about this that and the other but I recognize that if I'm

going to legitimately be Catherine's friend she loves the Lord Jesus

Christ and that's going to come up, right?

So I think that's where that balance needs to be.

I think that where we make a mistake

is when we try to create an environment with friends or family, where our relationship is so

sterile that there's no more Christ.

Outstanding is a production of the Washington Stand,

where you can find news and commentary from a biblical worldview.

I'm Joseph Backholm, and I am a senior fellow for biblical worldview here at the Family

Research Council and I get to be your kind of host moderator facilitator

for this conversation and my guest today and I am going to sit down

with him once we get this done a Dr. Vody Boccombe is the, I'm going to make sure I get this right.

He is a pastor and author in many things, but right now he's the Dean of Theology at the African Christian University in Lusaka

Zambia. And oftentimes, when young people sit in a room

and they see people who are older than them doing, you know, great things, being used by God.

They're like, how do I find that path and do that?

And what's your advice to people who, you know,

at first tell us a bit of your story

and more how you got from Texas to Zambia

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