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Wise About Texas

EP. 144: The Runaway Scrape with Dr. Stephen Hardin

Wise About Texas

Ken Wise

History, San, Education, Society & Culture, Culture, Places & Travel, Cowboy, Texan, Texas, Texans, Jacinto

4.91.1K Ratings

🗓️ 11 March 2026

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

In 1836, the Texians faced a huge refugee crisis. Mexican general Santa Anna intended to wage a terror campaign against the civilian population as he had done in other Mexican states. In a panic, the citizens of Texas grabbed only what they could carry and fled east. What ensued was a refugee crisis of epic proportions. In this episode, I interview Dr. Stephen Hardin, the author of a recent book Texian Exodus: The Runaway Scrape and its Enduring Legacy. Dr. Hardin discusses these events and their considerable impact on the formation of the Texan identity.

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0:00.0

Howdy and welcome to Wise About Texas, the Texas history podcast.

0:11.9

This is your host, Ken Wise.

0:13.2

Thanks so much for tuning in today for a very special episode about the Texas Revolution.

0:19.6

When we think of the Texas Revolution, what do we think of?

0:22.3

We think of the battles. We think of the Army. We think maybe a little bit about the government,

0:27.1

the Declaration of Independence, the new Constitution drafted Washington on the Brazos.

0:32.6

But there's part of the revolution that we really don't give much thought to, and it certainly

0:36.2

hadn't been written about

0:37.5

very much, but it went a long way toward forming our identity as Texans, and that is the

0:46.1

runaway scrape.

0:47.8

The runaway scrape is a term that describes a situation where the citizens of Texas fled for their lives ahead of the Mexican army,

0:58.3

starting a little bit after the fall of the Alamo and lasting all the way through the Battle of San Jacenno.

1:05.7

These people dropped everything. They grabbed only what they could carry, any wagon if they had one,

1:13.2

and they fled east. As Houston marched the Texian army eastward, the citizens followed.

1:20.7

Food was left on tables, milk was left in cups. This was all documented by Mexican army that came onto these farms to take their food.

1:32.2

People gathered in large groups which begat disease. People died and by necessity were buried where they fell.

1:41.7

This was a huge refugeerugee crisis.

1:45.5

But as I said, it hasn't been written about very much until now.

1:49.5

Dr. Stephen Hardin is with us today.

1:52.1

He is, without question, the preeminent historian on the Texas Revolution.

1:57.1

His books include Texian Iliad, which is a military history of the Texas Revolution,

2:03.9

Texian Macabra, which is a story of a hanging in early Houston and is one of the better

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