Welcome to the podcast. Today I am talking to my friend Ben Shapiro. You may have heard of him.

He kind of like just got into the game. Has this little podcast. I'm just doing my best to kind of,

you know, give him a boost. Okay, if you didn't really know who Ben Shapiro was and you thought I was

serious, I am not serious. This is someone who really sets the pace for young conservatives. That

doesn't mean that every young conservative agrees with him. I find myself agreeing with him

on the majority of things that he talks about. But regardless of where you land on the conservative

spectrum, Ben Shapiro has really shattered the, can I call it a glass ceiling if we're just talking

about conservatives kind of, I feel like there has been kind of this ceiling that conservatives can

really hit as far as mainstream success goes, but he has broken the mold. I'll say that. He's broken

the mold when it comes to conservative commentators. He has been a pioneer and the young conservative

movement, the original, the conservative millennial. If I do say so myself. And also he's been someone

who has stood up for biblical values and biblical principles when it's been especially unpopular.

And that's something that we as Christians, even though I disagree with him, obviously,

on a lot of theological issues, that's something that we as Christians can admire and be thankful for,

that there has been a representative in the media that has as big of a platform as he does,

that is willing to talk about really contentious issues, like same-sex marriage. And so today,

I just wanted to get his insight on where we are as a country as far as the intersection of faith

and politics goes, what we can be looking forward to in 2020 as far as the election goes. And then also

the issues that we're facing when it comes to the limiting of the freedom of religion and religious

people's role in the civic dialogue that just sometimes seems filled with darkness and craziness.

Then thanks so much for joining me. You bet. Okay, so I listened to your book, my husband and I both

did. And I know it came out a few months ago, right side of history, and so you're not here to

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