Ep. 1388: Ross Greene Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio
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Michael Covel
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🗓️ 4 May 2026
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Summary
My guest today is Ross Greene. He is a clinical child psychologist. Greene's research has been extensively published in academic journals and he and the CPS model have been mentioned in popular media. He advocates against punitive, exclusionary disciplinary practices, including detention, suspension, expulsion, corporal punishment, restraint, and seclusion.
The topic is his book The Kids Who Aren't Okay: The Urgent Case for Reimagining Support, Belonging, and Hope in Schools.
In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:
- American education system challenges
- Meeting kids where they are
- Meritocracy vs equity
- Behavioral issues and classroom disruption
- Nature vs nurture in learning
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I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show.
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| 0:00.0 | My guest today is Ross Green. His new book, The Kids Who Aren't Okay, The Urgent Case for Reimagining |
| 0:07.7 | Support, Belonging, and Hope in Schools. Ross is a very positive guy, but unfortunately he met |
| 0:15.6 | in me a skeptic, a skeptic with data, a skeptic with understanding. What follows? Is that optimism and that |
| 0:25.7 | skepticism meeting head on? Look, we all understand education, or many of us do. I did K through 12, |
| 0:35.1 | I did college, I did grad school. I have a keen understanding about the |
| 0:40.6 | system and the process. And I also understand the data that exist for today. Something like |
| 0:48.6 | education is highly political in the United States of America. It's not just about educating. But let's jump |
| 0:55.7 | right into it because Ross does bring a hopeful message, and I try to counter him every step of the way. |
| 1:02.1 | I hope you enjoy. Let me give an introduction about myself. |
| 1:19.9 | I think you might find it interesting. |
| 1:23.0 | I grew up in Northern Virginia. |
| 1:24.3 | I went to O'Connell High School. |
| 1:26.2 | I'm sure you had some students at Virginia Tech that went to O'Connell. School. I'm sure you had some students at Virginia |
| 1:27.7 | Tech that went to O'Connell. I can only guess. I mean, it's a small world, right? I was a terrible |
| 1:32.6 | student, completely terrible. I did not like the idea of Michael memorized this and you will have a |
| 1:38.1 | successful life because someone will take care of you. I didn't like that idea. I was at O'Connell, |
| 1:42.0 | but I had family members that did the Fairfax County School System, and they had experience with the GT program and the LD program. You know, in my family, I saw all kinds of interesting things. And of course, I'm Gen X. Fairfax County has changed tremendously, even from the 90s. I don't think there's probably a county in the country, maybe Loudoun |
| 2:01.0 | County, that's changed more than those two counties for an assortment of reasons. So that's a |
| 2:06.0 | little bit of a backdrop for me. I happen to be in Asia now. I call that home primarily. |
| 2:11.9 | There has been a lot of interesting lessons for me learned. And a lot of my friends and I, |
| 2:16.7 | especially Western friends, will talk about |
| 2:18.2 | this, the advantages that we see in a culturally homogenous country, especially when it comes to |
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