Ep. 138: To See the Face of God
Young Heretics
Spencer Klavan
4.9 • 4.5K Ratings
🗓️ 3 January 2023
⏱️ 48 minutes
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Summary
For the penultimate episode of the show, Spencer Klavan is joined by friend and Dante expert Catherine Illingworth to approach the Commedia's beatific vision. Tying together threads from the whole series, and the whole podcast, Spencer and Catherine discuss the roles of flesh and spirit in love as the pilgrim makes his final approach to God in paradise.
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| 0:00.0 | Okay, I am so excited to welcome Catherine Ellingworth to the show. |
| 0:06.0 | I've been telling you guys she's going to join us. |
| 0:08.3 | We've been working past couple of weeks through Dante's Vita Nuova and his divine comedy, |
| 0:14.0 | his comedia, including all of the canticles, but especially in Fairno and Pergatorio, |
| 0:21.2 | because I wanted Catherine to come on especially and really dig into parody. |
| 0:25.9 | So with us, I think it's the most sublime part of the poem. |
| 0:30.4 | I also think that I don't feel equipped to really grapple with it with the depth that it |
| 0:36.8 | deserves because this is one of those ones. |
| 0:39.6 | The comedy itself and this canticle, especially it's one of those texts that I feel a certain |
| 0:44.0 | trepidation approaching. |
| 0:45.6 | I think I hear from you guys that you feel that too. |
| 0:49.0 | And so I wanted to have an expert on and I don't know. |
| 0:51.8 | You know, Catherine's probably too modest to call herself an expert, but I will, I'm flinchingly |
| 0:56.3 | call her a Dante expert if you saw Nolz's episode of the book club that was about the |
| 1:02.0 | divine comedy. |
| 1:03.0 | She did a beautiful job laying it out there and she's also just on the very tail end of |
| 1:09.2 | her PhD on Dante. |
| 1:12.2 | And so it's she's the perfect person to kind of bring this series to a close with us. |
| 1:16.0 | And I'm looking forward to the show. |
| 1:22.2 | Thank you Spencer. |
| 1:23.2 | I'm thrilled to be here. |
| 1:24.2 | Yes, I'm excited to get into all of this stuff with you Catherine. |
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