welcome everybody to the first installment of a new segment on the dcl duo podcast that we're going to be calling

point counterpoint as you may know if you've listened to the podcast for a while, Sam and I are both lawyers. And so trained in argumentation and the arguments in our household tend to be pretty epic. And so we thought we would bring a little bit of the flavor of home into the podcast. And so for those of you out there who are our patrons, I want to thank each and every one of you. And as a special bonus, this show will get published a week early for our Patreon. So we try to do Point Counterpoint at least twice a month. And we will push out to our Patreon's first. So if you'd like to get early access to Point Counterpoint, you can head over at patreon.com slash DCL Duo and sign up for one of our support tiers. we will push this out through a Patreon only feed.

We're also soliciting ideas for point, counterpoint from our patrons and will likely ask our

patrons to vote on who won the argument.

So the next episode, you'll hear who won the argument based on our Patreon feedback.

And yeah, we'll go from there.

But our first topic comes from one of our patrons, and it's a tough one.

They have asked us to argue both sides of Disney denying boarding to families on the first cruise back on the dream.

So to set this up, we know from a prior episode, a bonus show that we released that Disney denied boarding to approximately 20 families aboard the dream off the first cruise.

And we know from later crews, almost 100 families were denied boarding.

I think the last cruise before the one were on currently, we're recording this on the pool deck of

the dream, actually.

And many of those families on the first cruise were denied boarding because they did not have

appropriate testing for their kids.

And so the protocol right now to get on the dream is that you have to have COVID tests within five days of your sailing, a PCR test for anyone who is not vaccinated or does not choose to show proof of vaccination. And then you get a rapid test of the port before you board. And both those tests have to be clear in order for you to set sail. and so there were several families who showed up with little ones the you know the the parents were

vaccinated the little ones were not and they thought the rapid test alone would be sufficient to allow

them to get on board. Did not have the PCR test. So Disney denied them boarding. And so one of our patrons asked us to argue both sides of this equation. Sam and I are struggling with that a little bit. But Sam, as we were talking about, it did have at least sort of one argument in favor of the families.

I'm just going to start by saying and Sam to some extent or I sound to say and Sam are pretty

much in agreement with what Disney did here.

And actually the Patreon who gave us this question is also an agreement with what Disney did

here, but just wanted to know if there was an argument on the other side of the equation.

But essentially, we felt like Disney really over communicatedcommunicated the requirements to those in advance of sailing. And in fact, even after these 20 families were denied boarding, they started giving even notice of the requirements. So we got multiple instances of notice of the requirements that someone on our sailing needed to be tested, that we need to get the testing done.

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