Ep 1358 | Matt Chandler & the Robertsons Call Out the Fake Gospel of Instant Fixes

Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Tread Lively

Religion & Spirituality, Religion, Christianity

4.9 • 24.7K Ratings

🗓️ 18 June 2026

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Jase, Al, Zach, and Christian sit down with Matt Chandler, lead pastor of The Village Church and author of “Becoming Like Jesus,” to talk about Matt’s rough childhood, the church camp that changed his life, and why following Jesus is usually slower, messier, and more painful than people expect. Jase remembers taking a beating instead of fighting back and watching the man who attacked him later come to church wanting to hear about Jesus. The guys also dig into why suffering can expose what God wants to heal, and why the church is still the place where flawed people learn to love — and sometimes simply tolerate — one another. In this episode: Luke 15, verse 17; Hebrews 12, verse 2; Isaiah 61, verse 3; Matthew 5, verses 3–12; Psalm 27, verse 4; 1 Corinthians 15, verses 1–2; 1 Corinthians 6, verses 9–11; Exodus 13, verses 17–18; Romans 5, verses 3–5; James 1, verses 2–4 “Unashamed” Episode 1358 is sponsored by: https://chministries.org/unashamed — Get a better solution at half the cost of traditional healthcare! https://vanman.shop/unashamed — Get 15% off your first order with code UNASHAMED https://www.wildalaskan.com/UNASHAMED — Get $35 off your first box of wild-caught, sustainable seafood delivered right to your door. http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://open.spotify.com/show/3LY8eJ4ZBZHmsImGoDNK2l Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters 00:00 The Best Thing About Being a Pastor 11:35 Matt’s Rough Childhood & First Glimpse of Jesus 17:22 The Camp Sermon That Changed Matt’s Life 23:50 Life’s Lowest Moments Are the Most Important 29:50 Knowing Jesus Isn’t Like Flipping a Switch 34:22 Jase Takes a Beating Instead of Fighting Back 39:33 The Gospel Is More Than Grinding It Out 44:04 Jesus Doesn’t Want Distance from Us 50:10 Deep Work, Over Time, In Community — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:36.2	This is a show. It's Seinfeld meets a Bible study. It's a podcast about nothing. It's my people. Meets a Bible study. It's sort of a Bible study. Exactly. Well, OJ's was trying to get into the Bible last time. So I don't know. I preached my whole sermon, Matt. So welcome too unashamed, by the way. We're rolling. We got Matt Chandler in the house today. Matt, welcome to Unashame. That's good to be in Monroe. Yeah, we're glad to have you here. And Christian is, he's up from the kid table. He's not at the big table. I've graduated. I've graduated. We have another podcast we do. It's a Hillsdale podcast. It's a training podcast. It's a deep podcast. It is. Have you ever listened to one of them? No. I have not. But don't. We've only done like 60. What a great question. What's your favorite episode?
1:28.2	Have you ever listened on a Mads podcast? Not one with you. No, I did ask him if you'd ever been on a podcast. He said, I do one. He's got to coach me on the mic. He's like, you know, but these mics. It could be worse, Matt. We had Dave Ramsey on and Jayce like, I didn't know who you were. I never heard of this guy.
1:44.8	You kind of got something going on here.
1:46.7	I'm like, okay.
1:47.6	He's tired to get a day financial advice. He's like, have you ever considered the debt is bad? Yeah. Or that not all dead is bad. He made it. That would have been a good fight. He made it worse by acting like I was joking.
2:01.1	Yeah.
2:01.6	And I thought, no, I've never heard that.
2:03.3	No, like for real.
2:04.1	For real.
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2:06.6	That's going to be good for Dave.
2:08.6	It's good for Dave.
2:09.6	It's humble.
2:10.6	Hey, we're friends now.
2:11.6	I'm not sure.
2:12.6	That was the key moment.
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