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🗓️ 25 August 2025
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Please enjoy my monologue No Risk No Return with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive.
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I’m MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I’m proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show.
To start? I’d like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/
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| 0:00.0 | No risk, no return. |
| 0:02.8 | This is life. |
| 0:04.7 | If you sit back and you wait, you might get lucky. |
| 0:09.7 | You might get a lottery ticket. |
| 0:11.6 | You might meet the next Warren Buffett. |
| 0:14.8 | Your neighbor might give you a chance to get in on something early that has no guarantee, |
| 0:22.2 | and you become a billionaire. |
| 0:31.0 | The odds of these things are not great. But if you adopt this no risk, no reward mindset, |
| 0:44.1 | you're not looking for perfection. You just keep trying consistently every day. What do I mean by trying? Trading a strategy that will not have a high percentage of winners, meaning you will take a trade, you will place a trade 60% of the time. You might be |
| 0:51.5 | taking a small loss. It goes nowhere. And you might get some winners 35, 40% of the time. |
| 0:57.9 | And those winners, they make up for all those losers you had before. And then, hopefully, |
| 1:04.6 | they give you some profit. That is the trend following mindset. It's the venture capital mindset. |
| 1:12.9 | It's the mindset of Jeff Bezos at Amazon. It's the mindset of any successful entrepreneur because prediction is shit. |
| 1:21.4 | Look, no risk, no return is not just a slogan. It is life. It is the markets. It is a fundamental rule. Before you could even get |
| 1:31.1 | into the fundamental rules of the strategy of trend following, you need to have a philosophical |
| 1:36.5 | fundamental rule. And that is no risk, no return. Look at something like micro strategy, |
| 1:47.0 | now renamed strategy. Look at that chart for the last 25 years. Two big ups. That first big up came way down. And then once, |
| 1:56.8 | Michael Saylor adopted a Bitcoin strategy. |
| 2:03.5 | His share price has gone to the moon again. |
| 2:07.7 | Now, were these two events separated by almost 20 years? |
| 2:09.4 | Predictable? |
| 2:10.8 | No. |
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