Ep 1334 | DEBATE: Allie vs. David French on Trans Pronouns, Empathy & James Talarico

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey

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Christianity, News Commentary, News, Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 25.8K Ratings

🗓️ 17 April 2026

⏱️ 95 minutes

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Allie sits down with New York Times columnist David French for a candid discussion on faith, culture, and politics. They debate over the definition of “toxic empathy” and how it's used to advance progressive causes on issues like gender, sexuality, and social justice. Allie argues that compassion must be grounded in biblical truth rather than emotional manipulation. French says the real problem is selective or incomplete empathy and that he’s seen an uptick in “Christian cruelty.” The conversation explores where Christians should draw lines between mercy, justice, and cultural engagement in an increasingly polarized America. Nothing is off the table, including hot-button topics like Trump, Luigi Mangione, January 6, abortion, and pronouns. Allie and David find some fascinating points of agreement despite public disagreements online. Share the Arrows 2026 is on October 10 in Dallas, Texas! Tickets are on sale now at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://sharethearrows.com⁠⁠⁠ Share the Arrows is sponsored by: A'del Natural Cosmetics: AdelNaturalCosmetics.com Range Leather: RangeLeather.com/ALLIE We Heart Nutrition: WeHeartNutrition.com Buy Allie's book "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.toxicempathy.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ – Time Codes 0:00 Introduction 0:23 Toxic Empathy 41:29 Pronouns 55:09 Why French Voted for Kamala 1:16:19 James Talarico 1:29:15 Justice for the Unborn – Today's Sponsors: Pre-Born | To donate, dial #250 and say the keyword, “BABY.” Or visit Preborn.com/ALLIE. At Freedom Project Academy, its classical online school for pre-K through high school is bringing education back to what matters most: truth, tradition, and biblical values. Go to Freedomforschool.com and SAVE 10% on tuition when you use code ALLIE. Seven Weeks Coffee | Experience the best coffee while supporting the pro-life movement with Seven Weeks Coffee. Use code ALLIE at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sevenweekscoffee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get up to 25% off your first order, plus your free gift! Patriot Mobile | Go to PatriotMobile.com/ALLIE or call 972-PATRIOT. Use promo code ALLIE for a free month of service. Your gift to ADF will be used to fight for religious freedom around the world, including in Turkey. And for a limited time, all gifts will be MATCHED thanks to a special grant — only while funds last. Go to JOINADF.com/ALLIE or text ALLIE to 83848 to give today. Episodes You May Like: Ep 1212 | The Left Cares About (Certain) Unborn Babies Now https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-1212-the-left-cares-about-certain-unborn-babies-now/id1359249098?i=1000715198443 Ep 920 | Russell Moore, David French & the Fake Threat of Christian Nationalism | Guest: John Cooper https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-920-russell-moore-david-french-the-fake-threat/id1359249098?i=1000638231068 Ep 420 | Why Do I Vote Republican? | Q&A https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-420-why-do-i-vote-republican-q-a/id1359249098?i=1000521577829 --- ► Buy Allie's book, "You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love": https://alliebethstuckey.com/book ► Subscribe to the podcast: iTunes: https://apple.co/2UVssnP Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2FwkXxj ► Connect with Allie on social media: https://twitter.com/conservmillen https://www.instagram.com/alliebstuckey/ https://facebook.com/allieBlazeTV/ ► Relatable merchandise — use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

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0:00.0	New York Times writer David French is here today to debate pronouns, toxic empathy, James
0:07.0	Talarico, voting for Kamala Harris, abortion, and so much more. You will love this lively
0:12.9	discussion on today's episode of Relatable. It is brought to you by The Last Stand. This is an
0:18.1	incredible pro-life Christian conference happening in Denver, Colorado on June 5th and 6th.
0:24.2	I will be there along with Frank Turrick, Seth Gruber, and so many others. Go to thelaststand.com
0:30.5	use code alley for a discount. Thelaststand.com code alley.
0:46.6	David French, thanks so much for taking the time to join me.
0:48.4	I really appreciate talking to you in person.
0:50.4	I'm very happy to be here.
0:51.6	Thanks for inviting me.
1:14.9	I think it's been a minute since I've been in Blaze Studios. I think it's been 10 years. 10 years. And here you are. And we met once before we were on a panel, we were just talking about this with Lila Rose and Kinstar. So it's been a few years since we've gotten to talk in person. But I'm glad to do so. I would love to talk first about toxic empathy. the book that I wrote a couple of years ago, you wrote two articles in the New York Times about toxic empathy, your thoughts about-
1:17.2	Your whole concept.
1:18.2	Yes, your thoughts about the concept.
1:20.2	Would you mind just restating your argument about the concept and my book for the audience?
1:25.2	Well, let me begin with my points of strong agreement.
1:29.3	Okay, so one of the pieces that I wrote, I began with my points of agreement.
1:33.3	I think one of the problems that we have in this country is with emotional manipulation.
1:39.3	In other words, when we decide, like, whose experience really matters,
1:45.0	and then we dive in on one side's experience,
1:48.0	and we neglect the other sides.
1:50.0	So, in other words, if you're talking about, like,
1:53.0	as you raise in the book, like the problem of immigration,
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