Ep 1297 | Rebutting Ben Cremer’s Unbiblical Take on ICE

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey

Blaze Podcast Network

News, News Commentary, Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.8 • 25.8K Ratings

🗓️ 2 February 2026

⏱️ 64 minutes

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In this episode, Allie confronts the growing accusations of “Christian nationalism” against conservative Christians, especially over immigration enforcement and support for ICE, by responding directly to viral posts from progressive Christian figures like Ben Cremer and John Pavlovitz. She defines what Christian nationalism actually is (and isn’t), explains why every worldview inevitably shapes law and public policy, and lays out a biblical case for national borders, pro‑life laws, and a Christian view of government. Allie exposes how progressive Christians often conflate the kingdom of God with America, misuse “welcome the stranger” passages to justify open borders, and deploy toxic empathy and inflammatory rhetoric that unfairly paints white evangelicals as the source of America’s problems. Progressive Catholics aren't safe either, as Allie highlights Catholicism's social justice problem by examining statements by figures like Pope Leo XIV. This episode is a must‑listen for anyone wrestling with the debate over Christian nationalism, the Anti-ICE riots in Minnesota, abortion, biblical justice, and politics in the church. Buy Allie's book "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.toxicempathy.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ --- Timecodes: (00:00) Intro (03:30) Defining Christian Nationalism (07:58) Faith Influencing Politics and Voting (11:17) Immigration, ICE, and Borders (23:27) Was Jesus an Activist? (28:50) Christian Nationalist Panic (37:41) Abortion & Pro‑Life Theology (51:10) Evangelical and Catholic Debates (59:18) Weak Pastors & Media Outrage Cycles --- Today's Sponsors: Good Ranchers | To support a company that’s committed to honoring America’s past, present, and future, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠GoodRanchers.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ today. And if you subscribe to any Good Ranchers box of 100% American meat, you’ll save up to $500 a year! Plus, if you use the code ALLIE, you’ll get an additional $25 off your first order. PreBorn | 100% of your donation will go toward saving babies. Will you help us? Just dial #250 and say the keyword BABY. Or donate securely at ⁠⁠PreBorn.com/ALLIE⁠⁠. Shopify | Sign up for your $1-per-month trial and start selling today at ⁠⁠Shopify.com/ALLIE⁠⁠. We Heart Nutrition | Check out We Heart Nutrition at ⁠⁠WeHeartNutrition.com⁠⁠ and use the code ALLIE for 20% off. Geviti | Go to ⁠GoGeviti.com/Allie⁠ and use code ALLIE for 20% off. Taking care of yourself isn't selfish. It's stewardship. --- Episodes you might like:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Ep 1295 | The Sad Truth Behind Meghan Trainor’s Surrogacy Story ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/relatable-with-allie-beth-stuckey/id1359249098?i=1000747085607⁠ Ep 1271 | A Catholic & Protestant on the Death Penalty, Immigration & Women’s Roles | Trent Horn ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/relatable-with-allie-beth-stuckey/id1359249098?i=1000738174696⁠ Ep 1254 | Jubilee Reaction: How to Debate 20 Liberal Christians ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/relatable-with-allie-beth-stuckey/id1359249098?i=1000732041086⁠ Ep 582 | How to Share the Gospel with LGBTQ People | Guest: Becket Cook ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-582-how-to-share-the-gospel-with-lgbtq-people/id1359249098?i=1000554125181⁠ --- Buy Allie's book "You're Not Enough (and That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.alliebethstuckey.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Relatable merchandise: Use promo code ALLIE10 for a discount: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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0:00.0	Supporting ICE is Christian nationalism and white evangelicals are the source of all of our problems.
0:08.1	At least that's what you're hearing on Instagram from the so-called progressive Christians.
0:12.5	Well, don't worry.
0:13.4	We are responding to all of this and more on today's episode of Relatable.
0:28.1	Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.
0:29.1	Happy Monday.
0:31.7	Hope everyone is having a wonderful day so far.
0:35.9	All right, I got to tell you, God's eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch.
0:36.3	It's still going off without a hitch. On this week, on this day, it is still going off without a hitch. It's still going off without a hitch.
0:38.0	On this week, on this day, it is still going off without a hitch. Nothing surprises him or takes him
0:42.4	back. Nothing confuses him. Nothing throws him off. He is sovereign over all of it. He is never
0:47.6	looking down and wondering, how did you get into this mess? What is going on? He is all seeing. He is
0:53.2	all knowing. And he is working all things together
0:56.0	for the good of those who love him, who are called according to his purpose. And that is what we can
1:00.7	trust that one day there will be no more disagreement, no more politics, no more debate, because
1:05.5	Jesus is coming back. He wins and he will rule in perfect peace forever. So what is our role?
1:11.2	It's not just to sit on our hands and wait for that day,
1:13.7	is to do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God.
1:18.4	When we don't know what to do, we don't know how to make a difference,
1:21.1	that's what we can do because God uses the unseen and unsung,
1:24.8	faithful acts of obedience of believers to advance his kingdom. Sometimes that's
1:30.0	something really public. Sometimes it's just changing a diaper or washing dishes or sending
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