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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey

Ep 1284 | What the Hell? The Truth About Kirk Cameron’s Views on Eternal Punishment

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey

Blaze Podcast Network

Christianity, News Commentary, Religion & Spirituality, News

4.619.2K Ratings

🗓️ 7 January 2026

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Allie tackles the explosive hell debate ignited by Kirk Cameron in which he wades into annihilationism, which is a belief that sinners in hell do not suffer eternal torment but will eventually be forever destroyed. She contrasts it with the traditional view of eternal conscious punishment, exploring Scripture’s imagery of destruction, balancing God's characteristics of justice and mercy, and referring to key theologians, such as John MacArthur, John Stott, Edward Fudge, J.I. Packer, and many more. At the end of the day, sharing the gospel to all unbelievers is the most important because separation from God is horrific. Plus, Allie asks for your prayers over Megan Basham, who is battling cancer at this moment. Join us for thoughtful theology, biblical clarity, and renewed passion for souls. Buy Allie's book "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.toxicempathy.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ --- Timecodes: (00:00) Intro (08:40) Annihilationism (16:50) Conditional Immortality (21:30) Eternal Conscious Torment (32:20) Is Annihilationism Heresy? (43:00) Praying for Megan Basham (47:55) New Release Schedule --- Today's Sponsors: Patriot Mobile | Go to ⁠PatriotMobile.com/ALLIE⁠ or call 972-PATRIOT and use promo code ALLIE for a free month of service! Crowd Health | Join CrowdHealth to get started today for $99 for your first three months using code ALLIE at JoinCrowdHealth.com⁠. CrowdHealth is not insurance. Opt out. Take your power back. This is how we win. Olive | Olive is a food scanning app that exposes what labels don’t — seed oils, dyes, additives, even hidden toxins. Download Olive now and instantly see what’s hiding in your groceries! Good Ranchers | To support a company that’s committed to honoring America’s past, present, and future, visit ⁠GoodRanchers.com⁠ today. And if you subscribe to any Good Ranchers box of 100% American meat, you’ll save up to $500 a year! Plus, if you use the code ALLIE, you’ll get an additional $25 off your first order. Shopify | Sign up for your $1-per-month trial and start selling today at ⁠Shopify.com/ALLIE⁠.  We Heart Nutrition | Check out We Heart Nutrition at ⁠WeHeartNutrition.com⁠ and use the code ALLIE for 20% off.  --- Episodes you might like:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Ep 1274 | Predestined to Hell? Calvinism Explained ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/relatable-with-allie-beth-stuckey/id1359249098?i=1000739569811⁠ Ep 1218 | Why John MacArthur’s 56-Year Ministry Shook the World ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-1218-why-john-macarthurs-56-year-ministry-shook-the-world/id1359249098?i=1000717561591⁠ Ep 618 | Kirk Cameron on Homeschooling & Raising Godly Kids ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-618-kirk-cameron-on-homeschooling-raising-godly-kids/id1359249098?i=1000561947796⁠ Ep 906 | Time to Boycott Scholastic Books | Guest: Kirk Cameron ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-906-time-to-boycott-scholastic-books-guest-kirk-cameron/id1359249098?i=1000634689361⁠ --- Buy Allie's book "You're Not Enough (and That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.alliebethstuckey.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Relatable merchandise: Use promo code ALLIE10 for a discount: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Is Kirk Cameron right about hell? Is the punishment of hell temporary or is it eternal conscious torment?

0:08.9

We will be looking at both sides of this debate today and also answering the question, is this heresy?

0:14.9

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0:28.6

Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.

0:39.5

All right, today we are going to talk about hell.

0:42.8

We are going to talk about a specific debate that was reeling at the end of last year that I didn't get to wait into that I want to try to add as much clarity as I can for my specific audience on today. So let me back up

0:55.6

a little bit, give us some context on December 3rd, actor Kirk Cameron released a podcast

1:00.8

episode with his son in which they discuss God's justice and God's mercy in relation to

1:07.4

hell and punishment of those who do not repent and put their faith in Christ.

1:13.2

And instead of affirming what is seen as the traditional view of hell among most

1:18.0

Protestant eternal conscious punishment, where non-Christians are being tortured and

1:24.0

fire for all of eternity and hell with Satan, he affirmed a view called

1:27.8

conditionalism or annihilationism. And this perspective holds that those who reject the gospel go to

1:34.9

hell, but are not there eternally. They are eventually destroyed. They are punished for a finite

1:40.1

period of time, and then they no longer exist. And I encourage you to go watch Kurt Cameron's full

1:46.2

episode, love him, have had him on the show several times. He is so great. And you will be interested

1:52.9

to hear his argument from his perspective. Here's a clip from it, Sot 1. I used to hold the position

1:58.4

of conscious eternal torment because that's just what I was taught by people that I love and trust.

2:03.1

I've learned that there are other positions and a very robust argument can be made for conditionalism or annihilationism as Edward Fudge posits here.

2:13.9

And it fits the character of God in my understanding more than the conscious,

2:22.2

the conscious eternal torment position, because it brings in the mercy of God together with the

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