Ep 1279 | Our Culture’s Biggest Lie About Spirituality

Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Tread Lively

Religion, Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.9 • 24.7K Ratings

🗓️ 27 February 2026

⏱️ 51 minutes

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The culture’s biggest lie about good and evil is that they’re equal and opposite forces locked in an endless cosmic tug-of-war. Al, Zach, John Luke, and Christian explore why that idea quietly reshapes how we see God, Satan, heaven, and hell — and why C.S. Lewis insists it falls apart under real Christian theology. From Jesus’ temptation in the wilderness to Lewis’ picture of hell as a shrinking, hollow existence, the guys explore how evil is a distortion of what God created as good. In this episode: Matthew 4, verses 1–11; 1 John 2, verses 15–17; 1 Timothy 6, verses 11–16; 2 Corinthians 12, verses 7–10; Hebrews 12, verses 26–28; 1 Kings 8, verse 27; Acts 7 Today’s conversation is about Lesson 7 of C.S. Lewis on Christianity taught by visiting Hillsdale professor Michael Ward. Take the course with us at no cost to you! Sign up at http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/. More about C.S. Lewis on Christianity: Encounter the faith & wisdom of C.S. Lewis C.S. Lewis’s writings bring the great questions of the Christian faith to life. Through his imaginative and invigorating style, Lewis answers these questions in ways that are compelling to those outside Christianity and energizing to those within the Christian faith. In this free, seven-lecture course, Professor Michael Ward—a leading scholar of C.S. Lewis—will explore Lewis’s: argument for objective moral value in response to the rise of modern subjectivism; bittersweet path to conversion and the role of enjoyment in the Christian life; advice regarding the proper way to pray and read the Bible; teachings concerning the purpose of pain and how to confront suffering and loss; insights about the nature of heaven and hell. This course examines these fundamental topics not only through his classic works—including Mere Christianity, The Screwtape Letters, and The Abolition of Man—but also through Lewis’s personal experiences with doubt, conversion, suffering, grief, and joy. Through this course, students will discover Lewis’s core lessons regarding the truth and goodness of the Christian faith and how to apply those lessons to one’s life. Join us today in discovering C.S. Lewis’s enduring lessons about the meaning and practice of Christianity. Sign up at ⁠http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-home-with-phil-robertson/id1835224621 Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters: 00:00 Jesus vs. Satan Arm Wrestling 05:12 Why Satan Isn’t Jesus’ Equal 09:40 The Temptation of Jesus & True Authority 15:05 Plato’s Dilemma & What Makes Something Good 20:40 Heaven Isn’t Hell’s Opposite 26:05 Annihilation, Eternal Torment & Lewis’ View 31:30 Can There Be Pain in Heaven? 36:10 When Suffering Turns Into Glory 41:20 Bureaucracy & How Evil Operates 46:10 Taking Hold of Eternal Life Now — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	I am unashamed. What about you?
0:06.6	Have you all seen those memes? Do you know what I'm talking?
0:08.2	Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
0:11.6	This guy went out. You were like this chasm. Oh, like bowed up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
0:16.7	Yeah. And there's like an American eagle. There's like an eagle in the back. It's like so out of it. It's non. Yeah. Legitimate. But, um, that's dualism. Jesus and Satan. Are you ready? Count us down, Maddie. I thought that was it. Are we going? Well, this counter's going. Oh, I didn't know the counter was going.
0:38.2	Of course.
0:39.4	Me and John,
0:39.9	we're talking about last episode
0:42.0	when I talked about that,
0:43.4	the meme of Satan and Jesus arm wrestling.
0:46.2	And we were talking about
0:47.3	kind of doing a visual representation
0:49.8	of that to start the podcast.
0:50.7	But the problem we run into
0:53.2	is one of us has to be Satan to make that work.
0:55.0	And we both don't want to do that.
0:57.0	So we're not going to do it.
0:59.0	But the question is who would win?
1:01.0	I think Chris has to be Jesus.
1:03.0	God always, God always wins.
1:05.0	I'm going to go for who the strongest looking person is at this table, we better make Christians. You got to be saying that. I mean, I'm just saying. They're not evil. That's our whole point. Then it could work. Remember, this is the man that said he's for every romantic holiday for the last decade. He's been reading books. Yeah. That doesn't help you in the arm. But the last seven, he just buys one for himself. decade he's been reading books. So, you know, that doesn't help me in the arm wrestling. But the last seven, he just buys one for himself. Yeah. He would destroy you in Dungeons and Dragons, but you got him in arm wrestling. Yes, yes, yes. I would. And the intellectual, he would destroy me in the physical. I would beat him. Do you play Dungeons and Dragons, by the way? Yeah. Aren't you into that? You're into that kind of stuff, right? Yeah. I did. I did play a lot of that. Yes. And then you're not in that kind of stuff? I'm not, I've never done it. I mean, I'll tell you, when I got interested, was when I watched, what was the show? What was the show? Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, okay. I mean, maybe I could have got into, I don't know.
2:01.5	I like risk.
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