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Emergency Medicine Cases

Ep 127 EM Drugs that Work and Drugs that Don’t Part 2 – Antiemetics, Angioedema, Oxygen

Emergency Medicine Cases

Dr. Anton Helman

Education, Health & Fitness, Courses, Medicine, Science

4.7602 Ratings

🗓️ 2 July 2019

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

In this Episode 127 Drugs that Work and Drugs that Don't Part 2 - Antiemetics, Angioedema and Oxygen, with Justin Morgenstern and Joel Lexchin we discuss the evidence for various antiemetics like metoclopramide, prochlorperazine, promethazine, droperidol, ondansetron, inhaled isopropyl alcohol and haloperidol as well as why should not use an antiemetic routinely with morphine in the ED. We then discuss the evidence for various drugs options for a potpourri of true emergencies like angioedema and hyperkalemia, and wrap it up with a discussion on oxygen therapy...

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0:00.0

In part one of this podcast, we covered a popery of analgesics and analgesic adjuncts for all kinds of

0:06.7

common painful conditions that we see in the ED. We're going to switch gears now from pain

0:11.7

and talk about nausea and vomiting. Now, there are few things that catch our attention more when we're

0:18.3

cruising down the hallways of our ED than the patient who's

0:21.1

incessantly vomiting. So I'd like to cover first what works for nausea and vomiting,

0:27.1

and second, whether adding antimetics to morphine to prevent nausea and vomiting is of any

0:32.2

benefit. Now, there are many choices here. There's metaclopramide. There's on dancetron. There's diamond hydronate,

0:41.3

which we all know is gravel in Canada. There's prochlorparazine. There's haloperidol. There's

0:48.0

even inhaled isopropal alcohol from an alcohol swab. And the list goes on from there.

0:57.0

Dr. Lexchin, what are the best ED medications for nausea and vomiting, generally speaking? You know, I think this is an issue

1:05.3

where if you ask 10 different emerge docs, you'll get 10 different answers. I used to use Graval, then I switch to

1:15.6

metaclopromide. Now I usually go to Andansetron, and from the literature that I've read,

1:23.6

it doesn't seem to matter what you use. There's nothing better than any of the other ones.

1:30.5

All you're doing is giving your patients different sets of side effects. So I don't think that there's

1:36.3

a real good answer to what to use. Now, maybe when we get to the isopropyl alcohol, we'll get a bit of a different answer.

1:45.6

But all these other drugs, I really don't think that there's anything in terms of benefits to

1:51.8

choose from. It's the side effects that you should be using to make your choice.

1:58.9

And you said, you know, they don't seem to be any different from each other. But the fascinating

2:03.1

thing about this literature to me is that actually, in almost all the trials that are done,

2:07.9

they aren't any different from placebo either. And that's a bit of a problem. I'm not sure it

2:13.0

fits with what we see clinically, but that's why we run trials, right? And those are really strong. And

2:19.1

I don't think it's possible that these drugs could have no benefit, because I think if you

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