A note to my listeners, this episode mentions suicide.

Please listen with care.

You're listening to season six of the Recovery Happy Hour podcast.

Are you ready? Hold on to your headphones. Let's do this. Hi everyone welcome to Recovery Happy Hour where we talk about life beyond the bottle and what happens

after we stop drinking.

I'm your host Tricia and sometimes I record this show sitting at a 30-year-old folding card

table that I also use as my dining room table.

Thank you for joining me.

On today's episode we've got an interview with an artist so I wanted to spend the

introduction talking about why creativity could be important to your recovery.

In Julia's interview, we briefly talked about the relationship between grief and creativity.

And I mentioned something that I heard Brine Brown say on a podcast a long time ago.

So I went and found the actual quote from her.

It says,

I used to believe that there were creative people

and there were non-creative people.

And now I absolutely understand personally. creative people and there were non-creative people.

And now I absolutely understand personally and professionally

from the data that there are no such thing as non-creative people.

There are just people who use their creativity and people who don't.

Unused creativity is not benign. It metastasizes. It turns into grief, rage, judgment,

sorrow, and shame.

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