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Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Ep 1254 | Phil Robertson Wept at Auschwitz Concentration Camp & Why Moral Truth Matters

Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Tread Lively

Religion, Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.924.7K Ratings

🗓️ 23 January 2026

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Al, Zach, John Luke, and Christian reflect on a moment when Phil, a man who rarely got emotional, was moved to tears after witnessing the reality of unimaginable evil. The guys launch into a sobering conversation about why atrocities like the Holocaust can never be reduced to opinion or explained away, and why denying such evil ultimately erodes the very idea of right and wrong. Drawing on the works of C.S. Lewis, they wrestle with where moral truth comes from, why it exists beyond personal preference, and how abandoning it opens the door to history’s darkest chapters. Today’s conversation is about Lesson 1 of C.S. Lewis on Christianity taught by visiting Hillsdale professor Michael Ward. Take the course with us at no cost to you! Sign up at http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/. More about C.S. Lewis on Christianity: Encounter the faith & wisdom of C.S. Lewis C.S. Lewis’s writings bring the great questions of the Christian faith to life. Through his imaginative and invigorating style, Lewis answers these questions in ways that are compelling to those outside Christianity and energizing to those within the Christian faith. In this free, seven-lecture course, Professor Michael Ward—a leading scholar of C.S. Lewis—will explore Lewis’s: argument for objective moral value in response to the rise of modern subjectivism; bittersweet path to conversion and the role of enjoyment in the Christian life; advice regarding the proper way to pray and read the Bible; teachings concerning the purpose of pain and how to confront suffering and loss; insights about the nature of heaven and hell. This course examines these fundamental topics not only through his classic works—including Mere Christianity, The Screwtape Letters, and The Abolition of Man—but also through Lewis’s personal experiences with doubt, conversion, suffering, grief, and joy. Through this course, students will discover Lewis’s core lessons regarding the truth and goodness of the Christian faith and how to apply those lessons to one’s life.  Join us today in discovering C.S. Lewis’s enduring lessons about the meaning and practice of Christianity. Sign up at ⁠http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-home-with-phil-robertson/id1835224621 Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters: 00:00 — Straight from the duck blind to the podcast table 05:18 — Why studying C.S. Lewis is different from studying Scripture 10:02 — What a Christian “apologist” actually is (and isn’t) 15:44 — How C.S. Lewis moved from atheism to belief 21:31 — Objective vs. subjective morality explained 28:47 — Auschwitz, evil, and why some truths are self-evident 35:12 — What happens when “might makes right” 41:26 — Can morality exist without God? 48:39 — Why C.S. Lewis still matters today — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I am unashamed. What about you? Well, welcome back to the Unashamed podcast. This is our Hillsdale

0:10.8

episode on Fridays that we have finished David. We're now complete experts on the story of

0:18.8

David. Has everybody felt accomplished now that we've...

0:21.9

I feel like it's one of those things where the more you know about something,

0:26.3

the more you realize you don't know anything about it, that's where I'm right now.

0:30.3

I learned so much, but I'm like, wow, there's so much more I could discover.

0:35.0

Well, I know, and I think I would maybe agree with me on this, I'm a lot more confident

0:38.7

in David than C.S. Lewis.

0:41.4

Yeah, we're in, this is new territory.

0:45.1

We're not, we're, we're unsure of ourselves, but we have full trust in Zach and John

0:50.4

Luke because you guys are C.S. Lewis officiados.

0:53.4

Y'all are more philosophers. Me and Al are more just kind of don't, you know, take the, take the hard things and make it simpler. Don't take the simple things and make it harder. Exactly. So we're the opposite of you. Well, you're sitting in Jayce's chair. You got the hunting gear on some of it. Did you go hunting today? Is that what this is? Yes, we did. Me and John Luke. They came here straight from the blind. Straight from the blind. Straight from the blind. Which was very unashamed like. I'm super impressed with both these young men. Which I asked John Luke, how often does Jason come in with all of his face paint still on? Every once in a while. Every once in a while. Dad used to do it quite consistently.

1:28.3

Yeah, did he.

1:29.3

Yeah, he did it.

1:30.3

I was gonna leave it on to pay homage to that, but I, uh, I cleaned my face. Well, I don't think Phil ever, ever washed his face here in Ducks was in the Well, that's just kept, he just kept that eyes. Because he never bathed either, but that's another story.

1:43.6

Christian, you look too nice to leave that on.

1:45.7

I'm glad you did.

1:46.4

I was looking at the old videos.

1:47.5

We got to feel. I found some old videos from like when we first started doing all this. And he's sitting in his chair pontificating. And I mean, the shirt, it's a white shirt, but it looks like they dipped it in your coffee, John Luke, and hung it out to dry.

2:02.0

It looks just like the whole thing was like stained. You had like a hole, like a rip in it on the, like, like, holes in it. And that was his outfit because he had that and some khaki pants. And he always wore the sineoks. Yeah, and the Sunnook shoes were the only thing he wore. And everything there was just dirty always.

2:19.0

And even if it was clean, because it's not like they didn't wash it, but it never looked clean. What was with the Sanukes? It was his uniform. I don't know. That's his uniform. They were comfortable. He had these huge bunions on the side. I don't know if you ever saw them. They're quite grotesque. Now, he claims that they were a blessing because when he was young, he could go up a muddy bank, you know, without, without, with his feet, like he was climbing like, you know, a monkey going up the bank because of those knobs because they would hold into the mud. So he claimed when he was young, it was a benefit. When I was a kid, I thought it was like another toe. I thought he had like an extra big toe, like a six-toe. What he got it from my grandmother, granny. Do you remember Granny? Uh-huh. So Granny had them too. She had the bunions. She had the bunions. So it passed on. I'm glad it didn't go to me because they were very unattracted. Yeah. They can fix it. What's interesting is this bunions actually comes up in our talk because we talk about John from progress. So we're going to get into bunions here. And we're in C.S. Lewis today. But we did. Yeah, me and we did a good duck hunting this morning, me, John Luke, Jacob, and John Reed. We shot two teal and the next year. The snow goose. Yeah, it was the old brother-in-law duck hunt. Yeah. And John Reed, to be fair, is a seasoned hunter. Is that not true? I mean, he's done it his whole life life He'll tell you he's done it this whole life

3:42.5

Exactly

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