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I'm your host, Aran, and before we kick off the show, I want to tell you about our incredible sponsors.

Today on the show, I'm so excited to have system developer and author Mary L. Gordon. Mary, you want to say hi? Hi. So I'm so excited to have you on the show, I'm so excited to have system developer and author Mary L. Gordon.

Mary, you want to say hi?

Hi.

So I'm so excited to have you on the show because usually we have a bunch of code newbies on the code newbies on the code new podcast, but you're actually a coding veteran.

You've been doing this for a lot longer than we have, and I'm so excited to hear about what computer programming was like before more than

five years ago. So welcome to the show. Thank you. Thank you. I'm glad to be here. So let's start

with a quick overview of your computer programming experience. When was the bulk of your

system developer life? When did that happen? When did it start? I started programming in the

summer of 1966, as a programmer. And I retired from the computer world in the summer of 2001.

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