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12 rules for life in antidote to chaos. That is the title of Jordan Peterson's new book and we are lucky to have him on the show to cure the ample chaos that we have here.

This show, of course, being an antidote to order. It is a runaway bestseller. We will discuss why as well as how you can find order and meaning in this chaotic, desiccated soy boy culture of ours.

I'm Michael Knowles and this is the Michael Knowles Show.

Stand up straight with your shoulders back, treat yourself like someone you are responsible for helping, pet a cat when you encounter one on the street.

These are just some of Jordan Peterson's rules for life. I can't give them all the way obviously because then you won't hit by the book and you should buy the book.

This book has clearly struck a cultural nerve.

Number four bestselling book in the US according to publishers weekly. Number one on Amazon. Number two on the Washington Post list. Number four on USA today.

Only the New York Times refused Dr. Peterson the honor for some bogus excuse. Seems to me I've heard that song before.

Dr. Jordan Be Peterson is a clinical psychologist, cultural critic and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto.

Dr. Peterson has almost a million subscribers on YouTube and his videos have been viewed almost 47 million times.

David Brooks calls this the Jordan Peterson moment and we are now lucky to be joined by him. Jordan not David Brooks obviously much better to be joined by Jordan Peterson to discuss the 12 rules of life.

Dr. Peterson, thank you for being here.

Thanks very much for the invitation.

So let's get into trouble with the frivolous thought police right off of the bat. The book is subtitled and antidote to chaos.

You describe order as masculine, the wise king at best, the tyrant at worst and you describe chaos as feminine.

These days we're told that gender is socially constructed, a figment of our imagination.

How deeply entrenched is sex? How far back do our categories of masculine and feminine go?

Well, they go back as well, they go back hundreds and hundreds of millions of years and they do seem to form part of our fundamental cognitive architecture.

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