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Wait until you see the way Jordan Peterson confronted the actor and renowned atheist Stephen Fry on God.

He leaves him absolutely speechless as only Peterson can do.

We're going to analyze their discussion. We're going to see precisely how Peterson revealed even to this staunch atheist that is yearnings for God are closer than he ever imagined.

Right. Okay. I'm going to read something and forgive me. I want to go here. You're face to face with God.

Bone cancer in children. What's that about? How dare you? How dare you create a world where there is such misery that's not our fault? It's utterly utterly evil. Why should I respect a capricious mean-minded stupid God who creates a world so full of injustice and pain?

And then one more because the God who created this universe if it was created by God is quite clearly a maniac, other maniac.

Ivan in the brothers Karamazov. Yeah. Right. Right. Now it's okay. So what happens in the brothers Karamazov is that Ivan wins the argument. Yeah.

But Elocia is the better person. Completely so. And we love things. Yeah. It's a book. So it's very interesting. I would urge everyone to read the brothers Karamazov because I do think it's a work of genius.

There's a lot about Dostoevsky. I really dislike because of his influences. Again, people who don't understand Dostoevsky think he's a champion of right-wing religiosity without understanding that he went through an extraordinary life experience to come to where he did come and that his novels show his full understanding of all kinds of different points of view.

But in terms of the dialectic of that issue about how there can be a God. I mean, I was answering a question that I was asking.

I'm not trying to put you on the spot. My point is I don't believe there is such a being. But if there were and he were the kind of being that has been worshipped and described by various religions around the world and monotheistic religions, then I would have many burns to pick with him.

Right here, Stephen Fry immediately demonstrates explicitly his total and utter theological ignorance. This is a pattern that I see over and over again among atheists. Those are the most hostile towards the idea of God or at the same time often the most ignorant of what theistic traditions are even talking about when it comes to God.

Fry says he doesn't believe in and I'm quoting him here such a being or that kind of being that people worship. Unfortunately for Fry when it comes to the great classical conceptions of God, whether they be Jewish, Christian, Platonist, the Islamic tradition, Hindu Buddhists, God is emphatically not a being.

He's not a kind of being. God is being itself. God's not a thing that exists like a tree or a flower or add or a mountain. God is the very existence in which all finite things participate. God is the infinite fullness of being that is the precondition for the existence of any and all finite contingent things.

The classical argument for God is rather simple. It really boils down to a singular claim. Because contingent things are by definition dependent for their existence and that they can come to be, they're sustained and at some point they cease to be. Because contingent things are by definition dependent, it cannot be that only contingent things exist.

There must be a necessary being, a being that cannot not be that contains within itself the infinite plenitude of being that ultimately grounds every and all contingent thing, including the entire universe itself.

So Stephen Fry is starting off this conversation with a straw man. He's beating up a God that no theistic tradition has ever affirmed in or believed in.

The argument from evil, as it's known, is a very old one and it goes back through through the medieval religious figures as well as later humanists that this idea that it is, it is very hard to square this loving God who has a knowledge of every hair on our head and adores us and and adores little kittens, but he also, as I say, bone cancer in children, but also life cycles of insects that whose whole aim is to borrow into the eyes of children.

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