The Tom Woods Show, episode 1213.

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Hi everybody, Tom Woods here. I insist you listen to this episode.

Of course, now that you've pressed play, you're probably invested in it.

But I'm telling you, this is going to be a great conversation with Kevin Ring, who is an attorney,

a former congressional staffer, and who now runs families against mandatory minimums,

which you can visit at fAMM.org.

And what's interesting about Kevin is that he comes from a conservative background.

And a lot of times when you're dealing with criminal justice reform, the people involved tend to be from the left.

But Kevin is able to reach and speak to people

who might not otherwise be reachable, people who would be very, very resistant to this kind of

message coming from somebody on the left. But we're going to talk about the problems with so-called

mandatory minimum sentences, which no doubt have their origins

in tough-on-crime policy, and see what can be done about it. Kevin, welcome to the show.

Thank you for having me. I don't know the history of mandatory minimums, I don't think,

but my instinct tells me that they probably came about as the result of

some kind of tough on crime campaign in which people who pride themselves on talking about how

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