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I am your host, Michael Covel, not filtered, raw, honest.

That's my passion.

My guest today is Chris Hively.

He has a book out called Build the Fort, the startup community

builders field guide. A lot of topics in this conversation from startups to entrepreneurs,

to venture capital, to the dot-com bubble, to Netscape going public, to MapQuest, to America Online, commercial office space.

A lot of different topics here.

But ultimately, at the heart of it, at the root of it, a conversation about entrepreneurism,

a conversation about being an entrepreneur, that entrepreneurial thinking.

Chris has some interesting experiences, some great insights.

And I hope you enjoy this conversation. So, Chris, I'm going to take you back in time a little bit here.

I think what you originally became known for is a hell of an interesting story.

And I did not realize how far back MapQuest goes.

I guess the starting of it before it got to the digital world goes back some bit of time.

I grew up in the Northern Virginia area, so I have a keen memory of that AOL disc in April

1994 and AOL was all the rage in Northern Virginia back in the day.

There's still residual there.

The guy that owns the Washington Wizards came from AOL, Leonesis and all that kind of stuff.

But why don't you take me back in time and maybe give a little bit of a background on

Matt Quest itself and when you came into the picture and how that all unfolded?

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