And now, from the University of Chicago Institute of Politics and CNN, the Axviles, with your

host, David Axelrod.

One of the blessings and curses of the modern media environment is that there's a ton of

stuff to read and a lot of work being done, some insightful, some just meant to incite.

But one of the consistently smart commentators on American politics for several decades

now is Matt By, his book, All the Truth is Out, traces the changes in our modern media

environment that have made it so much more difficult for public figures to do their jobs

and has changed the nature of our politics.

He came to the Institute of Politics a couple of weeks ago to lead a panel and while he was

here, we sat down for a conversation.

Matt, by welcome, welcome here and also to the Institute of Politics.

Thank you.

This is a very strange occurrence you're interviewing me.

We've done it the other way around many times.

I know, while I'm returning to my roots, my reportorial roots,

interesting thing about the podcast because in some form or fashion, whether it was in journalism

or in politics, my career has been about storytelling.

The podcast is just a chance to hear other people's stories and eager to hear yours.

I want to talk about everything that's going on now.

I think it's very strong and dynamic.

I haven't been paying attention.

It's hard to pay attention because there's so much going on.

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