Hi, this is Josh Marshall, and this is the Josh Marshall Podcast.

We are, of course, still doing our remote podcasting, I think we called it the Josh Marshall

podcast in exile last week. It's funny, you know, it's when I think about this

I've I'm in that point where I'm not quite sure whether this is how we do it now or are we still in some

sort of like ad hoc, you know, kind of ad hoc thing where this is the

other way is really how we do it although I don't know but I mean this gets to a broader

personnel issue for us as a company but with all of this like you

know reopening stuff that is sort of like the whole national conversation now

when do you do it how quickly do you do it? What's the tradeoff with economic life and public health?

It's a little difficult for me to imagine us in New York City going back to work

in our office anytime in the remotely near future.

And when I say that, that's,

it's a funny thing, With what we do, it's relatively easy for us to work remotely.

In some ways it's a lot easier than working in you know we're working in the office but

as we've as we have navigated through this mind-boggling, horrifying epidemic that we are, you know, we're certainly not

through it, we're kind of to a stabilized part of it in the New York City area. I've been thinking about how much the subways, the subway system, contributed to how hard this hit New York City.

And there's lots of different factors.

It's clear the city government didn't move quickly enough.

Some of it is probably bad luck, but I don't think people outside of New York City have quite the sense of how the subway system works and how that what impact that has in a public health crisis because it's not just

crowded. Crowded is you know crowded is like a movie theater can be crowded but you're frequently put your body is

frequently pushed up against someone else's body in in like rush hour so you

are right on top of people and it's you know I have the I'd live near our

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