Thank you very much.

All right folks welcome to the team VTAC podcast. Of course I'm your host because I think we've only swapped that out one time, but this the guy that I'm sitting with today in a

undisclosed location safe house somewhere in North Carolina.

This he's probably I'd like to say in my top two of most requested

Yes to have on the podcast, but I think that would be a lie. I think you're probably number one. So yeah, we get a lot of requests guys are like, you know this guy?

Is he really that crazy? I'm like, oh no, no, this guy. He's a he's a pussy cat. So all right, Pat McNamara. What's up?

Yeah, right on brother. Man, it's good to have you. Same same like I was saying earlier. I think it's this is in a it's in a obligatory once every two year. Meeting with you. Yeah, since since retiring. Yep. Last year we met there in in kind of see. Yeah, you were close to my place and reached out and we were able to talk to each other for a few minutes on the range, but

Man, you've been a busy cat. Yeah, yeah, but I hit a point now to where I'm as busy as I want to be. Yeah, so I've hit that point and where I could take a little bit of a pause and go.

Yeah, you know like that. I'm not freaking doing four courses a month traveling all over the freaking place. Yeah, you know, because that's that was my temple for more than a decade was four courses a month.

Traveling for most of them. That's on planes. So that just wore me out. Yeah, so we we talked about that before we we went. If the record button here, but and the COVID thing was awesome.

You know, at the end, right at the beginning of 20, I looked at my calendar, my wall calendar and it was daunting. And I realized at that point that I don't like what I'm doing anymore.

Yeah, it was just too much. It was daunting and I'm going, oh my God, I cannot keep up this temple. I can't, but it turns into this like self perpetuating machine, you know, that it's a self-licking ice cream. It just keeps going and going, you know, the wheels on the bus. And then when locked down hit, I went.

Kidding me and I issued about I think six dozen refund checks, you know, to people who signed up for courses. Yeah.

And then canceled all of my travel courses and just did the local ones. So I figured, you know what, I could do this. I could just do classes here local. I don't need to travel.

And then I started selling the resistance bands because everybody had home gyms. Yeah, yeah. And you know, generator that coaching squad online coaching squad.

So yeah, man, it really freaking recent and just my whole attitude, everything changed because I didn't go anywhere because I had total buy in like everybody else did.

I was calling it coronication though. Yeah, yeah. And don't get me wrong. I feel bad for there's a lot of people who lost money, lost jobs, lost a lot.

So family members, family members. So Rebecca and I also did a lot for charity during that.

Because we were still generating funds. And so we thought about it, you know, because we didn't have to think about it long.

We're like, we need to do something because we are still generating funds. And there are people who are hurting.

I have trusted agents in and around more county who have always and girls clubs of working out.

Because I couldn't I couldn't deal with the notion that little kids were hungry. I mean, it really, really bothered me. So we dumped a bunch of cash to that organization.

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