I am unashamed. What about you?

Welcome back to the Unashamed podcast.

I was wondering which one you were.

Yeah, so if you're listening, I had to rephrase it because I got mixed up there for a second.

But, yeah, Alan Jace are still not back with us yet, but they'll be back in the next episode.

And so in the meantime, we brought in

some dear friends. Mack, you've been on before. Yep. You brought your beautiful bride, Mary

Mac and Mary Owen, mentors of mine, mentors in the faith of me and Jill. Mary, good to have you

here as well. Thank you. I'm glad to be here. I feel like I'm on holy ground. Being back

here and to celebrate Phil's life, it's a beautiful thing to get to be here all together with our

family. Yeah, I love what you said. Being back here, of course, we're living in Colorado now,

and everybody back here is talking about how hot it is. I said, well, snowed at our house, a foot in a half last week.

They're 9,000 feet elevation, right?

Right, 9,000 feet.

And Phil were looking at me and said, Owens, why would anybody want to live there?

That's what I was thinking.

And we got Paul Stevens, too.

One of my other favorite guys of the world, mentors, both of you all are former elders

of mine. So I sat under your

eldership and leadership for many, many years. So Paul, welcome to the podcast. Thank you,

bud. We're glad to be here. Yeah, so here's what we're going to do today. We're still in

the week of, you know, just talking about Phil's life, what he meant to all of us. And so

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