Hello and welcome to the Antipada where unrest is best. I'm Jamie Peck. I'm AP Andy.

Sean has decided to boycott this episode and hang out with his friends at the

C. C. P. Just kidding. He's working on some other stuff and we are here today to talk about the very exciting

controversial yet interesting topic of the uprisings in Hong Kong and to help us do that we have a

great guest his name is Wilfred Chan he is a contributing writer at the nation

and a writer and member of the Lausanne Collective,

which seeks to strengthen the internationalist left

wing of the movement in Hong Kong,

and connected up to anti-authoritarian struggles worldwide.

Thank you for joining us, Wilford.

Thank you so much.

So I gotta ask you right at the top,

because I've heard some things about you right as

as you do when someone's talking about this kind of thing I understand you used to work at CNN. Could you explain

yourself a little bit? I mean it's an open secret that I have a dirty liberal past in seriousness gets to a

problem that maybe we can talk about today which is just that if you're someone

who's interested in China and you want to think about it at a high level,

you want to analyze it, you want to actually impact what happens in U.S. China policy policy you have very few routes.

So I guess a related question is how did you become radical

and you know what political framework are you working with now in your current work with

with Lausanne and elsewhere?

Yeah, so like I said, I was a dirty undergrad liberal and...

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