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I am your host, Michael Covel, not filtered, raw, honest.

That's my passion.

When someone tells me I can have a Harvard Medical School professor and doctor and national

drug litigation expert come on this show, somebody who has written a book called

Sickening about the pharmaceutical industry, guess what my response was? Of course, a big yes.

My guest today is John Abramson.

And trust me, John has things to say that will have you questioning every aspect of health and health care regardless of what country you are in.

John's message, and I can't say this anymore directly, is frightening. It's you. It's up to you.

And John lays the foundation for why it's up to you. We're a couple years in now to the COVID

situation. And this is a perfect time for this conversation. Without any further delay,

let's jump right in with my guest today, John Abramson.

Let's jump right into the deep end, John. I want to quote from your book real quick.

I think this just sets up where we're going to go today and just did an interview with Greg

Zuckerman, who wrote a book called The Shot That Saved the World.

You might share some views with his work, but you definitely give a much different take

about what's going on with the pharmaceutical industry and our health and our health care.

But let me read this quote from your book, because I think this is a nice way to get people

into your headspace. Quote, Big Pharma does not set out to purposely harm Americans' health, but its primary job has become the exploitation of each situation as a unique opportunity to maximize profits, regardless of the overall impact on society.

There's not a lot of people that are saying that today.

I think that's right. The COVID vaccinations, which are clearly effective, still provide a window into how pharma

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