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We are back here with Joe Stephen, who I think this is your third or fourth time on the podcast. You've been on a number

of times, but it's been a while. So we're right in the middle of a series on, you know, kind of

exploring church hurt, you know, pain that people have suffered in the church, how to kind of identify

it and how to heal from it and all of that kind of stuff. So I figured it was a good time to

talk again with Joe. Joe, you're someone that I kept in touch with, you know, over the years.

And yeah, you've been through a lot, man.

Unfortunately, unfortunately, you're a good person to talk to for this series because, yeah,

you've, you've been through some rough times with some churches, brother. And, you know,

first of all, I just want to say thanks for coming on and, you know, talking about it.

Because I know for a lot of people, it's just hard to to talk about especially publicly in a way

that other people can you know listen but i've always appreciated your heart because you know i've

never got the sense when we've talked through some of this stuff in the past that you're like

you know trying to get get them back or you know speak really badly

about them that never seemed like the agenda more the agenda was just to like talk through your

experience and and that's exactly what what we want so just want to say that i've always appreciated

that and i appreciate you coming back on and and to be honest i've always i seen you as a person who has tried to, you know, do what's right in the midst of all of that kind of stuff.

And you've experienced, you know, different kinds.

It's not like the same thing again and again.

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