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I'm Chuck Arfine, and for part two of my conversation with the one and only, Ozzie Guyan.

If you haven't had a chance to listen to Part 1, there's some great stuff in there from Ozzie about his future as a major league manager, his thoughts about Sammy Sosa, the 2005 World Series title.

There's a great story about Bobby Jenks and a whole lot more.

And today in part two, as Hawk would say, sit back, relax and strap it down.

Ozzy is going to talk about the White Sox Cubs rivalry and explains what needs to happen to get the excitement back with this city rivalry.

And if this does happen, oh, it's going to be crazy.

He talks about what it was like managing Bartolo Cologne, especially when he went missing for a few days around the time Michael Jackson passed away.

Bartolo was a huge Michael Jackson fan.

This is when things got really weird with the White Sox.

But we begin with a story that has never been told.

It's 2010.

The Cubs are playing the White Sox at U.S. Seller Field.

Carlos Zambrano gave up four runs in the first inning

and then started yelling at Derek Lee in the dugout.

Pinella and the Cubs coaching staff had to separate them.

Pinella sent Zambrano home after one inning.

We thought the story ended there.

But behind the scenes, something else happened after the game.

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