out rather than judging them from the outside in.

And I feel so privileged from having had those hours and hours with Lyndon Johnson.

I think he was lonely when he talked to me.

I had no-

This is where he were with him after he left the White House.

Correct.

I mean, while it was in the White House, you know, he would often call me in to his office

late at night just to talk.

And sometimes when I've gone back to the White House and seen that little room where we

sat, it's just brings back such a flood of memories.

Off of the Oval Office, right?

Yes, yes.

And I went down to his ranch to help him on his memoirs the last years of his life.

And I just went back to the ranch for the first time in like 35 years when I was involved

as a consultant to all the way, the HBO movie that Brian Chaston was brilliant.

He was great in it.

And so they had their premiere in Austin and I went to the ranch the next day.

And again, it was just overwhelming to see the bedroom where I used to stay and where his

bedroom was and where Lady Bird's was and the closets where his clothes were.

And this chair that I used to sit in whenever he took a nap, he wanted me to be right outside

the room just in case he needed something, the kitchen where we ate.

It was an extraordinary experience that I value even more now at my age than I did then.

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