All right today on the podcast I have a friend of mine who is the English Ministry pastor at Valley of Grace Church in Fresno, California

John welcome to the show today, man

Thanks, Dennis. It's good to be with you. Yeah, thanks

I know opportunity to know John this past year I he invited me to to guest speak for his church and we had some good conversations and

I really appreciate some of the conversations that we had we had some areas of

Disagreement and obviously we have lots of areas of agreement and this kind of one of the reasons why I asked him to come on today is because

I actually think it's really healthy for

Christians to see leaders that they love and they respect

Having honest conversations with with one another where there's aspects of disagreement and I expect that we're gonna run into both

Aspects of great agreement and some disagreement today and I'm actually looking forward to that and I just want to say to you John

I am you know my

Values I want to know the truth right the truth is the most important thing in all of us you know our ignorant and

Dumb in some areas and wrong in some areas and so I just want you to know I'm open to learning from you and

Mostly I just want the Lord to guide our conversation and to lead us into greater truth. Sound good man

Sounds good brother. Let's do it. Okay. Well, I wanted to start off because I know that this has been on your heart

And this is the the question of Christian unity a Christian unity and

You know we have a brand new president and I don't know if your Facebook wall has been like mine

But there's been a lot of anger and vitriol and

all of you know just craziness all over social media for really the past month

I would say it's been pretty crazy

I know that that has been grieving your heart

So I wanted to ask you kind of an open-ended question here as we start off like

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